159 su Auto Motor und Sport

[DJTaurus]

Taurus you say that 159 is the only car in d seg that offers double wishbone....but the mcferson of Porsche/Bmw isn't it developed to a high level...?...i don't think that each car that uses double wishbone has automatically the advantage-also the old hondas used double wishbone despite have mediocore handling.Also a torsen in central position it is not better than the slower viscious coupling of porsche cause the sudden transition of power between the 2 axles creates weird reactions in the limit....for example the old quattro...Anyway the best 4wd is 3 differentials with limited slip.Also the fast steering wheel is the one that cuts fast not the one that has less turns.

Leaves of spring

Mcferson

Double wishbone

[DJTaurus]

Alfa 159 1.9 JTS 160 hk ca. 400.000 kr.

Audi A4 2.0 130 hk 392.441 kr.

BMW 318i 129 hk 400.000 kr.

Mercedes C180 Kompressor143 hk 572.000 kr.

Saab 9-3 1.8t 150 hk 389.500 kr.

Volvo S60 2.4 140 hk 407.995 kr.

VW Passat 2.0 FSI Trendline150 hk 366.131 kr.

Alfa 159 2.2 JTS Lusso 185 hk ca. 460.000 kr.

Audi A4 1.8T 163 hk 422.188 kr.

BMW 320i 150 hk 468.804 kr.

Mercedes C200 Kompressor163 hk 607.000 kr.

Saab 9-3 2.0t 175 hk 447.000 kr.

Volvo S60 2.4i Momentum 170 hk 468.804 kr.

VW Passat 2.0 T FSI HighL 200 hk 475.030 kr.

Alfa 159 3.2 V6 JTS Q4 L 260 hk ca. 630.000 kr.

Audi A4 3.2 FSI quattro 255 hk 626.636 kr.

BMW 330i 258 hk 640.397 kr.

Mercedes C350 4Matic aut. 272 hk ca. 950.000 kr.

Saab 9-3 2.8T V6 Aero 250 hk 593.000 kr.

Volvo S60 T5 Momentum 260 hk 609.295 kr.

Volvo S60 R 4WD 300 hk 1.101.795 kr.

VW Passat 3.2 FSI 4M aut. 250 hk 575.698 kr.

Alfa 159 1.9 JTDM 16V 150 hk ca. 450.000 kr.

Audi A4 2.0 TDI 140 hk 478.700 kr.

BMW 318d 122 hk 450.000 kr.

Mercedes C200 CDI 122 hk 640.932 kr.

Saab 9-3 1.9 TIDS 150 hk 467.500 kr.

Volvo S60 2.4 D 126 hk 464.285 kr.

VW Passat 2.0 TDI 140 hk 396.725 kr.

Alfa 159 2.4 JTDM 20V L 200 hk ca. 530.000 kr.

Audi A4 2.5 TDI 163 hk 499.522 kr.

BMW 320d 163 hk 522.000 kr.

BMW 330d 231 hk ca. 650.000 kr.

Mercedes C280 CDI 190 hk ca.800.000 kr.

Volvo S60 D5 Momentum 185 hk 610.995 kr.

Where is 2.0TFSI Α4....?

[Sonata_Arctica]

Taurus you say that 159 is the only car in d seg that offers double wishbone....but the mcferson of Porsche/Bmw isn't it developed to a high level...?...i don't think that each car that uses double wishbone has automatically the advantage-also the old hondas used double wishbone despite have mediocore handling.Also a torsen in central position it is not better than the slower viscious coupling of porsche cause the sudden transition of power between the 2 axles creates weird reactions in the limit....for example the old quattro...Anyway the best 4wd is 3 differentials with limited slip.Also the fast steering wheel is the one that cuts fast not the one that has less turns.

[T a u r u s]

Where is 2.0TFSI Α4....?

Audi A4 2.0TSI is considered a rival of bmw 325i X type 2.5LITRE Saab 9-3/ Cadillac BLS 2.0T 210cv IS250 etc. so actually there's no alfa 159 to compete with this A4...future 159 2.8JTS will be a rival...

[T a u r u s]

Taurus you say that 159 is the only car in d seg that offers double wishbone....but the mcferson of Porsche/Bmw isn't it developed to a high level...?...i don't think that each car that uses double wishbone has automatically the advantage-also the old hondas used double wishbone despite have mediocore handling.Also a torsen in central position it is not better than the slower viscious coupling of porsche cause the sudden transition of power between the 2 axles creates weird reactions in the limit....for example the old quattro...Anyway the best 4wd is 3 differentials with limited slip.Also the fast steering wheel is the one that cuts fast not the one that has less turns.

Leaves of spring

Mcferson

Double wishbone

You are totally wrong....

I never said that alfa was the only house to use it in the d segment even if currently is the only one in pair with lexus is to have front double wishbone in the d premium segment.

Mcpherson is worst than double wishbone and has far more limits in it's set up and drivetrain precision that can't be adjusted even by an excellent set up ...and is a hideous system for proper modern sportcars...no serious modern sportcar should use a scheme like that cause lacks precision....

Naturally even a double wishbone with an odd set up wouldn't work good, but has much upper limits than the mcpherson scheme.....

Porsche 4wd is a magna steyr viscous coupling 4wd similar to that used by Fiat Panda 4x4....is way worst than any torsen-c scheme...for 'street' use...viscous coupling transmission is very good in very lightweight cars like panda and for not sporting use...is not a proper solution to a proper sportcar like 911 that weights over 1500kgr....think that even if current gallardo use a viscous traction 4wd next Miura supercar will use a three differentinal transmission with central torsen-C like alfa and audi le mans cause is considered a far more sofisticated solution that improves handling and performance...

p.s.Honda is probably the best handling japanese company but in general japanese's are not the best in set up and suspension geometry...

All medium or large SUV or ATVs have to have double wishbone suspensions cause a mcpherson strut is very easy to break in off road excursions of heavy weight vehicle like a medium or large SUV or ATV...

[Sonata_Arctica]

p.s.Honda is probably the best handling japanese company but in general japanese's are not the best in set up and suspension geometry...

[Beppe_QV]

Taurus non ha completamente torto. Le Honda sono avvantaggiate dal loro peso molto ridotto e dal fatto che usano assetti prettamente sportivi. Non a caso, quando si tratta di conciliare comfort e gudiabilità, vengono fuori risultati come quelli della Accord....

[Sonata_Arctica]

Appunto, che "risultati come quelli della Accord"?

Sospensivamente ha un insieme perfettamente all'altezza di quello della 159, e come telaio è poco sotto: questo si traduce in doti di handling perfettamente comparabili (in virtù del peso minore) e di tenuta e stabilità pari se non superiori.

La Accord viene soltanto ammazzata dai motori loffi: e per loffo intendo anche il 2.4 da 190cv, che va all'incirca come il 2.2 Alfa.

Taurus ha scritto "not the best in set up and suspension geometry"... beh alla faccia, io una segmento C con quadrilateri davanti e multilink dietro devo ancora vederla.

[Beppe_QV]

Stefano hai bevuto stamattina? Il master test lo leggi solo quando ti interessa? E non solo il master test ma anche moltissime altre prove su strada, tutte concordi sul fatto che la Honda Accord non ha assolutamente un bel comportamento dinamico. Altro che sospensioni a livello della 159 e telaio solo leggermente inferiore.

[DJTaurus]

You are totally wrong....

I never said that alfa was the only house to use it in the d segment even if currently is the only one in pair with lexus is to have front double wishbone in the d premium segment.

Mcpherson is worst than double wishbone and has far more limits in it's set up and drivetrain precision that can't be adjusted even by an excellent set up ...and is a hideous system for proper modern sportcars...no serious modern sportcar should use a scheme like that cause lacks precision....

Naturally even a double wishbone with an odd set up wouldn't work good, but has much upper limits than the mcpherson scheme.....

p.s.Honda is probably the best handling japanese company but in general japanese's are not the best in set up and suspension geometry...

1)What do you mean drivetrain precision & upper limit?

2)Honda is better in handling than Subaru-Mitshu??