toyota acquisisce 5,9 % dell'isuzu sezione diesel e mezzi...

[Net Flier]

senza considerare che quasi metà dei motori che equipaggiano i veicoli commerciali europei, sono gli stessi identici motori..

[simonepietro]

10 novembre 2006: Isuzu e Toyota annunciano che hanno firmato un memorandum d'intesa in cui dichiarano che inizia lo studio degli effetti dovuti alle sinergie tra i 2 marchi . Anche se tale analisi è appena iniziata possiamo ipotizzare i futuri campi d'intervento :1) ricerca , sviluppo e la produzione nei piccoli motori diesel 2) sviluppo congiunto delle tecnologie di controllo delle emissioni e i dispositivi di abbattimento degli inquinanti nei motori diesel 3) propulsori e tecnologie riferite ai combustibili alternativi

[Coaster]

un piccolo motore diesel tra isuzu e toyota..ummmhh.. :

gli altri due aspetti mi convincono di più...senza pensare a possibili LCV, mercato in cui toyota diciamo che ha ampie prospettive di crescita...

[simonepietro]

un piccolo motore diesel tra isuzu e toyota..ummmhh.. :

gli altri due aspetti mi convincono di più...senza pensare a possibili LCV, mercato in cui toyota diciamo che ha ampie prospettive di crescita...

forse perchè l'isuzu non ha un piccolo 4 cilindri? mi pare che in europa il più piccolo sia un 1.7 litri.comunque la notizia è su uno dei siti che ti ho fornito , all4.engineering.

[Coaster]

ah, tu intendi un mid-size..beh, allora sì... toy passa dal 1.4 al 2.0, ci starebbe bene qualcosa pure a lei, la in mezzo...dubito però che ripropongano il 1.7..tu cosa pensi??

cmq, per i siti..grazie per le dritte!!:wink:

[__P]

10 novembre 2006: Isuzu e Toyota annunciano che hanno firmato un memorandum d'intesa in cui dichiarano che inizia lo studio degli effetti dovuti alle sinergie tra i 2 marchi . Anche se tale analisi è appena iniziata possiamo ipotizzare i futuri campi d'intervento :1) ricerca , sviluppo e la produzione nei piccoli motori diesel 2) sviluppo congiunto delle tecnologie di controllo delle emissioni e i dispositivi di abbattimento degli inquinanti nei motori diesel 3) propulsori e tecnologie riferite ai combustibili alternativi

magari dico una cazzata... ma all'ibrido sui veicolo commerciali non c'avete proprio pensato?

[simonepietro]

magari dico una cazzata... ma all'ibrido sui veicolo commerciali non c'avete proprio pensato?

perchè è una cazz.... ? nel punto 3 fanno riferimento a combustibili alternativi che però possono comprendere pure le fonti alternative

[Michel1980]

ehm...non che i 3.0 saab, per esempio, siano stati dei capolavori..si, dai...te la meriti tutta...

chissà che non abbiano imparato nel frattempo..

ps: il 3.0 renault è lo stesso motore????

Il V6 3000 Isuzu è tecnicamente "fuori moda" . Basta di vedere il 2.4 M-JTD ha piu potenza e coppia.

Renault ha usato lo stesso motore per il suo V6 3.0Dci ... ma l'affidabilità .

Per fortuna la Fiat non ha usato sto brutto motore .

Con Toyota,penso che le cose cambiaranno...

[nunoHGT]

Toyota buys a way into diesels

Stake in Isuzu gives Toyota access to 800 engineers

Automotive News / November 13, 2006 - 1:00 am

TOKYO -- In late July, Katsuaki Watanabe picked up the phone. For the second time in nine months, the Toyota Motor Corp. president was ready to open his wallet and buy his way out of a problem.

In October 2005 he had purchased an 8.7 percent stake in Subaru-maker Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. from General Motors for about $315 million. Toyota plans to use the Subaru plant in Indiana to build Camry cars.

This time he called Yoshinori Ida, the president of Isuzu Motors Ltd. His proposal: Combine forces on diesel engines and alternative drivetrains.

"I was really surprised" and "puzzled" by the call, Ida says. Toyota rarely pursues other automakers' technology. But the more Ida thought about it, the more it made sense. Toyota desperately needed what Isuzu had: diesel expertise and diesel-manufacturing capacity.

Watanabe's call to Ida has paid off. Toyota has purchased 5.6 percent of Isuzu. For approximately $375 million, Toyota now has access to Isuzu's army of more than 800 experienced diesel engineers. These same engineers developed GM's successful Duramax diesel engine for light trucks in the United States.

Wanted: Diesel expertise

The timing of the call was the result of Isuzu's availability and Watanabe's growing awareness of Toyota's shortfall in diesel expertise.

In April, GM had sold its final 7.9 percent of Isuzu to raise about $300 million, after having held partial ownership of Isuzu since 1971.

"We think we need to strengthen our diesel capabilities," Watanabe says. "We anticipate the growth of diesel engines going forward."

Several events led him to that conclusion.

Despite Toyota's efforts to promote hybrids, Europe remained unconvinced. European buyers prefer diesels, which offer improved fuel economy at lower cost than hybrids.

Diesel's share there has been climbing for years. In the first eight months of 2006, diesel engines powered more than half of all passenger vehicles sold in Europe.

Toyota's diesel offerings are adequate in Europe. But the automaker is not in the forefront of clean diesel technology.

At this spring's Geneva auto show, several European carmakers started talking seriously about diesel hybrids.

A few weeks later, Toyota launched its hybrid-powered Lexus GS 450h in Japan. Masatami Takimoto, executive vice president for powertrain r&d, was primed to brag about the hybrid powertrain's extra performance.

Instead, Japanese reporters began grilling him about Toyota's plans for a diesel hybrid. Takimoto responded like a deer in headlights. Hybrids use one or more electric motors and an internal combustion engine to power the wheels.

Wanted: Diesels

What: Toyota buys 5.6% stake in Isuzu for $375 million

What Toyota gets: Access to Isuzu's 800 diesel engineers. Toyota is too reliant on hybrids for fuel-saving technology.

What Isuzu gets: Help from Toyota on alternative fuels and advanced powertrains

Flanked by Honda

In May, rival Honda Motor Co. flanked Toyota on diesels. Honda promised to sell a diesel-engine car clean enough to meet gasoline-engine emissions levels in North America and Japan within three years. Watanabe was left mumbling that Toyota is working on clean diesel engines, too, but isn't ready to say when the engines will come to market.

Toyota and Isuzu negotiated for three months. To cement their relationship, Toyota was willing to buy a stake in Isuzu. Toyota didn't have a specific number of shares in mind, says Watanabe, when it began talking to Isuzu's largest shareholders.

By Nov. 3, the two companies were ready to unveil the broad outline of their deal.

The two companies plan to combine their diesel and alternative drivetrain efforts.

"Isuzu's diesel engines will now be mounted on Toyota cars," Ida says. He won't say which cars, or which markets, will get the engines. That will be decided later, he says.

The two companies will study the following areas for possible collaboration:

R&d, and then production, of small diesel engines, led by Isuzu.

Joint r&d of emissions control technologies and devices for diesels, led by Isuzu.

Environmental technology, including that related to engines and alternative fuels, led by Toyota.

Diesel hybrid?

While the deal addresses Toyota's diesel shortcomings in the near term, it also positions Toyota to reclaim the green mantle from clean-diesel leaders. Says Watanabe, "In the future we may come up with a diesel hybrid as well."

Toyota will buy 100 million shares of Isuzu stock for about $375.0 million from trading houses Mitsubishi Corp. and Itochu Corp. The stock purchase was to have been completed Friday, Nov. 10.

Toyota certainly can afford it. In the six months ended Sept. 30, its operating profits rose 35.1 percent to $9.27 billion. Indeed, according to Takeshi Suzuki, Toyota's senior managing director for finance, one of the company's challenges is finding ways to return more profits to shareholders.

After the purchase, Isuzu's largest shareholders will be Mitsubishi Corp. with 9.7 percent of the stock, Itochu with 7.2 percent and Toyota with 5.9 percent.

[Matteo B.]

Cmq ragazzi, leggendo questi articoli mi rendo conto che non ho la precezione di quanto grandi siano queste aziende....

Isuzu (e dico isuzu) ha 800 INGEGNERI alle dipendenze........