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Saab 9-3 2013 - La Mai Nata (Foto e Storia Ufficiali)


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La Storia raccontata da SaabsUnited :

Early on, it was made clear to Jason and his team that time and money were vital factors. The car needed to be designed, constructed and more or less ready by the end of 2011 in order to be launched at Geneva 2012. Looking back at December 2011 when the team was still working hard on finishing the project, the car the body design and it’s related engineering was nearly completed, but the final data would not be ready until spring 2012, which meant that the car would not be completed until the fall 2012 at the earliest. In the end the interior proved to be the largest hurdle to complete in the compressed time frame and limited budget, as significant technology and material changes kept moving the target and in turn the time necessary to finalize the design.Normally when a car leaves the development phase and is prepared for production, it takes about 6-8 months to find out how to build the car, which parts to install when and where. SAAB used a GM virtual system which greatly decreased this phase in time and costs but given the details we’ve found out about the development stage of the car, the earliest production versions of this car wouldn’t show up until early 2014.

In September of 2010 Jason was also given the task of developing a brand new concept car that would hit at Saab’s new design language. This car also had another purpose, Saab was short on cash, in reality Saab desperately needed a financial partner and Saab needed to get eyes focused on themselves somehow. The Phoenix concept car was presented at Geneva 2011 and really caught the eyes of the world. The car ultimately ended up being one of the most talked about car by reporters from all over the world who visited the auto-show, mission accomplished. Having Saabs situation in mind gives us a better understand of why the Phoenix concept came to be, why iQon, eAAM and the ePower were all the subject of many Saab press releases ahead of when they were originally supposed to be presented.

In October 2010 the first prototypes of the 9-3 Phoenix were completed and it was placed next to a number of other design studies that were ordered including the old GM version made back in 2007. Jason’s version was picked and the design team was instructed to make a 5-Door hatch and a Convertible. Rather than develop a sedan followed by a hatch variant, the management team decided to develop a real 5-Door hatch-back without compromise and this version then came to be the “main” version of the 9-3 Phoenix.

There were of course other development projects in progress at SAAB, one of them was the 9-5 (SC) SportsCombi which was considered vital to future of SAAB. The 9-5 SC still had issues with the electrical system and D-pillar construction which wasn’t strong enough. Another issue that engineers were busy with was the installation of an advanced rear-view camera, a component that drivers get used to very quickly and in the end rely upon and thus has to work at all times. A lot of work also went into getting a diesel into the 9-5 and 9-4x.

Due to the lack of funds which really started to show at the end of 2010, some resources were claimed to be moved from the other projects to focus on the 9-3 Phoenix, since this car was considered to be the real money maker and most important product for the Chinese market. To shift focus towards the 9-3 Phoenix was a calculated risk made by managers, obviously under great pressure to deliver but also great evidence of the confidence the management team had for the work Jason Castriota did at SAAB.

The power-plant is of course one of the key aspects of a car. The 9-3 Phoenix was to be launched with a 1,6 liter turbo engine, codenamed N47 and made by BMW. The N47 was originally a 1,6 liter 136 hp engine which was developed into a HOT engine by Saab delivering hp in the range of 200-220. This high-output engine found its way into other BMW products now in production. Since 2009 Saab had worked on a BMW two liter engine, codenamed B48 whose engine block could be used with both gasoline and diesel. A diesel engine is normally about twice as expensive to make, compared to a gasoline engine, having the same engine, with some minor change in components only, being able to work as both a gasoline and diesel engine is highly cost effective.

The work with BMW did not stop there. GM had offered to sell SAAB start-stop technology developed by GM at the price of 25 million USD, a price that was just too high. In the end BMW provided the start-stop technology to SAAB and work progressed for a significant amount of time.

Meanwhile development of the 9-3 Phoenix progressed and it was decided that the car would be launched in two versions, the Vector and the Aero. The Vector version having 17″ wheels with the option of 18″, the Aero would be shipped with 18″ and having options as high as 20″. Chromed components in the lower area of the front as well as chromed rear-view mirrors distinguished the Aero from the Vector variant. From people who have seen and worked on the vector variant, we heard that despite being the economy version of the car, it had a sense of quality that was unlike anything Saab had previously delivered and it was equipped to a level far above what the competitors had.

During the complete design process a lot of compromises were made between engineers and designers, one of the main issues that Jason Castriota focused on was lengthen the wheelbase and shorten the over-hang (area in front of the front wheel). Some of the things Jason did not get were a brand new type of headlights and wing mirrors and thus major component sharing took place with the 9-5 as this was much more financially efficient. Even so a facelift was planned for about 2-3 years into the production phase where the 9-3 Phoenix would get the brand new type of headlights and mirrors, roughly at the same time as a facelift for the 9-5 was scheduled. Considering the timeline discussed, this would have happened in mid 2014. An overall facelift and re-design of Saab’s other products was also on the table including a new sports car called the 91 Sonnett as well as a 2+2 sports car based off the PhonieX Cocept to be called the Sonnett..

SAAB-9-1-Sonnett.jpgThe new SAAB Sonnett (design-study only) ©SaabsUnited

This car was something that I know Victor Muller had dreamed about for a long time however one of the things that were not included in Saab’s business-plan. The car could become a reality if Saab had managed to establish a working partnership with Youngman and Pang Da, sadly thought that did not happen. The image on the right is one of the versions made in different design studies and in no way the final version.

All the time up to the final day SAAB Automobile AB was alive, December 19th 2011, Jason Castriota and his team were working on finishing their beautiful car and up until then, facing the reality that they were working even though the possibility of not being paid, was a real threat. In the end, Jason Castriota worked for Saab for almost two years, even though Saab failed to pay for his team’s services for the last 8 months of their efforts. Regardless, JC and his team believed in Saab and pushed forward with their work to give the company the best chance for survival. Along the way, they managed to establish a more cost and time efficient design process that was nearly 40% cheaper than what Saab had done before, delivered a brand new concept car, and almost finished the 9-3 replacement and its variants.

My first impression of this car was mixed, I felt that it was something brand new and something I had to get used to. I felt the same way about the Phoenix concept car and when I think back in time, I’ve felt exactly the same way about every new car Saab has launched. Since I’ve come to appreciate and love every car that Saab has ever made I felt that this was probably a good thing. Today I’m as in love with this car as I am with any other Saab and I believe that if it would have been produced, it would have been loved by a lot of people and greatly earned it’s place as a true Saab-Saab in the history of this great brand.

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Secondo 4R è prevista per fine 2013 inizi 2014, il passo sarà di 15 centimetri più corto dell'attuale 9-3 e sarà lunga 4,4 metri contro i 4,64 di quella odierna.

In pratica - secondo me - ne salta fuori una C con portellone, una cosa tipo la precedente.

Fonte: Saab - La prima immagine della nuova 9-3 - Quattroruote

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Just a few days ago, Saab revealed the 9-3 facelift displaying a bold new look inspired by the Saab Aero-X Concept. Inside sources have told us that Saab intends to inject the brand with sportier and younger appeal for all of its' vehicles and the Aero-X Concept is the primary influence. With the recent 9-3 facelift, that is clear to see. The next generation 9-3 will take this Aero-X influence even further.

With more and more revealing spy photos emerging lately of the new Opel Vectra, the cousin from Sweden is still in the mule status. The Saab engineers are using mules with GM's new Epsilon 2 platform but with an old Opel Vectra body modified to fit its' wider platform. However, the seats and interior are all from Saab. The wider platform will provide more interior space for passengers, which is a must for the new Saab 9-3 to be able to compete in its' class. While the Vectra will be the car for the masses, Saab will try to position the new 9-3 in a more premium class to compete with Audi's A4, the Mercedes C-class and the 3-Series BMW.

A long awaited feature, fitted on this prototype, will be the four-wheel-drive system from Haldex. This system will be available in the current 9-3 facelift from this autumn. Insiders hope that the four-wheel-drive system, called XWD, will sit in 50% of all sold cars and that it will rival Audi's quattro all-wheel-drive system which has become more prestigious. Expect powerful Bio-Power engines and a new twin-turbo diesel engine. Also, Saab will be breaking down the 300 bhp wall with an improved Turbo V6 which is rumoured to be available in the current generation facelift model before this new 9-3.

We are hoping to see a presentation late 2008 as a 2009 model.

WCF

Notizia da prendere con le pinze... Il muletto sembra molto quello utilizzato per i primi test dell'Insignia... Potrebbe essere qualunque auto.. o la 9-5 ... o come dicono loro la 9-3 o ancora una nuova Omega.. vedremo come si sviluppa la situazione e se ne sarà il caso cambieremo il titolo,.-

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secondo il sito economico Handelsblatt i piani relativi alla saab 9-3 sono stati mutati in piena corsa e questo ritarderà il suo lancio fino al 2011-2012 , invece del 2009. Pare che siano stati cambiati sia il luogo di produzione, invece delle linee opel di Russelsheim, affermano sarà prodotta di nuovo in svezia, sia la piattaforma, non più la EPSILON II ma una nuova versione (Delta 2 ?)della più piccola DELTA (segmento C).In questa maniera si evitano sovrapposizioni tra 9-3 e 9-5 e grazie alle dimensioni più compatte si possono pure ridurre i consumi medi del marchio saab

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... Le Alfa del futuro, Mazda a parte, dovrebbero essere ingegnerizzate là. Ma io dovrei comprare un'Alfa fatta dagli ingegneri della Chrysler ?

( Cit . Giugiaro da Quattroruote )

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nuove conferme e qualche dettaglio in più. Effetivamente il progetto della nuova 9-3 ha avuto una battuta d'arresto per una sua probabile revisione. Nato su una versione dell'epsilon 2 pare ora verrà trasferito su una nuova piattaforma di dimensioni esterne ridotte ma caratterizzata da notevole spazio interno grazie a nuove tecniche di realizzazione del padiglione e delle porte laterali, inoltre visto il perdurare della debolezza del dollaro , probabilmente gli analisti della GM prevedono sia a lungo termine, viene valutata la possibilità di essere costruita in USA invece che in svezia

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... Le Alfa del futuro, Mazda a parte, dovrebbero essere ingegnerizzate là. Ma io dovrei comprare un'Alfa fatta dagli ingegneri della Chrysler ?

( Cit . Giugiaro da Quattroruote )

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finite le illazioni, verrà costruita in svezia. Da vedere ora la piattaforma che verrà usata ,in quanto la saab 9-5 affermano verrà costruita assieme all'insigna. In svezia pure la 9-1 con il Delta II compatto.

... Le Alfa del futuro, Mazda a parte, dovrebbero essere ingegnerizzate là. Ma io dovrei comprare un'Alfa fatta dagli ingegneri della Chrysler ?

( Cit . Giugiaro da Quattroruote )

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un po' di vitalità da saab! Quanti decenni era che non tirava fuori una novità? Piuttosto ce si sbrighino a rinnovre anche la 9-5 che porella non ce la fa più...

La teoria è quando si conosce il funzionamento di qualcosa ma quel qualcosa non funziona.

La pratica è quando tutto funziona ma non si sa come.

Spesso si finisce con il coniugare la teoria con la pratica: non funziona niente e non si sa il perché.

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alleluia

un po' di vitalità da saab! Quanti decenni era che non tirava fuori una novità? Piuttosto ce si sbrighino a rinnovre anche la 9-5 che porella non ce la fa più...

cronologicamente dovremmo vedere prima la 9-5 e 9-1, poi la media.

... Le Alfa del futuro, Mazda a parte, dovrebbero essere ingegnerizzate là. Ma io dovrei comprare un'Alfa fatta dagli ingegneri della Chrysler ?

( Cit . Giugiaro da Quattroruote )

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cronologicamente dovremmo vedere prima la 9-5 e 9-1, poi la media.

Ti sei dimenticato la 9-4 che uscirà a breve (credo)...

La teoria è quando si conosce il funzionamento di qualcosa ma quel qualcosa non funziona.

La pratica è quando tutto funziona ma non si sa come.

Spesso si finisce con il coniugare la teoria con la pratica: non funziona niente e non si sa il perché.

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