Nissan GT-R: per Porsche 25" più lenta al 'Ring

[Dodicicilindri]

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Porsche has accused Nissan of cheating in the GT-R's record bid at the Nurburgring racetrack.

Porsche has just run its own back-to-back tests with the Japanese company's GT-R supercar and says it could not get within 25 seconds of Nissan's claimed record time of seven minutes 29 seconds in April.

It also found its 911 Turbo and GT2 were both quicker than the GT-R.

"This wonder car with 7:29 could not have been a regular series production car," says August Achleitner, the 911 product chief for Porsche, speaking to the CARSguide at the Australian press preview of the latest 911 Cabrio.

"For us, it's not clear how this time is possible. What we can imagine with this Nissan is they used other tyres."

He believes the time achieved by Nissan with ex-Formula One driver Toshio Suzuki would only be possible with a semi-slick race-style tyre.

Achleitner says Porsche took a standard GT-R, running on regular road tyres, and ran it around the Nurburgring within two hours of its own cars, on the same day with exactly the same weather conditions.

He says there was no tweaking of any kind and the GT2 and Turbo both ran on regular Porsche road tyres, the Michelin Sport Cup.

"We bought the car in the US. We drove a GT-R with new tyres," he says.

Achleitner was initially protective of the exact lap times, which were run during a program when Porsche also compared its upcoming four-door Panamera with a range of potential rivals.

But he eventually revealed his team clocked the GT-R at 7 minutes 54 seconds, with the 911 Turbo managing 7:38 and the GT2 getting down to 7:34.

The laps were not run by Porsche's usual hot-lap specialist, former world rally champion and race winner Walter Rohrl, but one of the company's chassis development engineers who is an expert on the Nurburgring.

Achleitner says the back-to-back comparison was run because Porsche was concerned by Nissan's claims for the GT-R, which is heavier than the 911 with similar power.

"The Nissan is a good car. I don't want to make anything bad with my words," he says.

"It's a very consistent car. But this car is about 20 kilos heavier than the Turbo . . ."

In the end, Porsche believes its testing has achieved the right lap times for the Skyline GT-R and benchmarked it against its own 911 heroes in the right context.

"For us it has been clearly the result. This technical puzzle now fits together. With the other numbers we had problems to understand it," he says.

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[nunoHGT]

Peace talks between Porsche and Nissan over disputed lap times at the Nurburgring have failed and the Japanese company is preparing to mount a counter-attack.

Nissan is gathering evidence in Tokyo before unleashing a rebuttal of Porsche's claims that its GT-R could not have achieved a claimed 7 minute 25 second lap at the Nurburgring as a stock-standard road car.

It has deliberately avoided commenting until it has everything ready to prove its point.

But Nissan was angered by Porsche's attack on its GT-R, which came after the German company ran a back-to-back comparison with its 911 GT2 and Turbo and could not get within 25 seconds of the Japanese lap record for a production car.

There were talks late last week at the Paris Motor Show as Nissan executives tried to negotiate a back-room compromise with Porsche, but these failed with the German company standing by its claims.

This forced Nissan to mount a major case with everything from independent video footage to the disputed Dunlop tyres used by former F1 driver Toshio Suzuki during his 7:25 run.

Modificato 8 Ottobre 2008 da nunoHGT

[Dodicicilindri]

Non ho capito bene, cioè la Nissan ha cercato di trovare un accordo sottobanco con Porsche per non essere sputtanata pubblicamente?

[Matteo B.]

Non ho capito bene, cioè la Nissan ha cercato di trovare un accordo sottobanco con Porsche per non essere sputtanata pubblicamente?

[nunoHGT]

bene o cambiato il post , io tutta questa diferenza non la vedo...

[Matteo B.]

bene o cambiato il post , io tutta questa diferenza non la vedo...

mettici questo....

Peace talks between Porsche and Nissan over disputed lap times at the Nurburgring have failed and the Japanese company is preparing to mount a counter-attack.

[Dodicicilindri]

Ma perchè non organizzano una bella sfida, con 2 auto verificate dalla Fia e a pari condizioni?

[Matteo B.]

Ma perchè non una bella sfida, con 2 auto verificate dalla Fia e a pari condizioni?

.....beh.....oddio.....la Fia......:twisted:

[nunoHGT]

Tu eh le tue mezze verita...

[Matteo B.]

Tu eh le tue mezze verita...

[nissanGTR]

questi sono i migliori giri al ring...

Nordschleife lap records - FastestLaps.com

se la GT3 fa 7:42 penso che la nissan possa fare tranquillamente 7:35 o poco meno. 7:29 è veloce, ma nel guidato la GTR và.. nel sito ci sono i giri d tutte le piste e le macchine più veloci e più lente...beh, impressionante la lista di chi si è messa dietro!