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From The Detroit News: Autos Insider | Chrysler voting tilts to 'no' | The Detroit News

Chrysler voting tilts to 'no'

Some accuse union of censorship for trying to hide results

Bryce G. Hoffman/ The Detroit News

The rank and file appears to be turning against a tentative agreement between Chrysler Group LLC and the United Auto Workers, with two more Michigan locals voting "no" Thursday on the new national contract.

UAW Local 372, which represents workers at Chrysler's Trenton Engine Complex, voted against ratification, with 55 percent of voting members checking the "no" box on their ballots, according to official results. There were also unconfirmed reports by members Thursday that workers at UAW Local 869, which represents employees at Chrysler's Warren Stamping Plant, also rejected the contract Wednesday, with nearly 54 percent voting "no."

The UAW is trying to prevent the release of voting results, saying early tallies could skew the outcome of the plebiscite.

Union members at factories in Illinois and Ohio voted against ratification of the new national contract Wednesday, while two other locals representing workers in Indiana and Michigan voted in favor of it.

On Monday and Tuesday, two other locals representing workers at Chrysler's manufacturing complex in Kokomo, Ind., also voted in favor of ratification.

Local 51, which represents workers at Chrysler's Mack Avenue Engine Complex in Detroit, also voted Thursday, but results were not available at press time.

"Our intention with UAW Chrysler is to announce voting results once all members have had the opportunity to vote on the contract," UAW Vice President General Holiefield, head of the union's Chrysler division, told The Detroit News. "Posting daily totals may discourage smaller local unions, voting later in the process, from voting if they feel the election has already been decided."

But some workers accused the union of censorship. Others, like Cathy Smith of Local 372 in Trenton, questioned why the union is changing its reporting policy, noting that Ford Motor Co. results were being posted daily by the UAW's national Ford Department.

"If we post any thing on the Facebook page, they remove it," she said. "Why are we being treated different? It gives the perception that they are trying to hide something. I'm not saying they are, but that's what people are saying."

Labor expert Kristen Dziczek of the Center for Automotive Research said the UAW's openness about the Ford results was unprecedented.

"Having that update helped them get that agreement ratified. At Chrysler, the strategy seems to be different," she said, noting that each of the union's national departments are making their own decisions about how much information to release to members. "The Chrysler Department, for whatever reason, has decided to not be as open as the UAW Ford Department was."

In addition to trying to prevent the release of vote totals, the Chrysler Department is urging the rank and file to think twice before complaining about the terms of the new contract on its Facebook page, apparently in reaction to numerous comments from members upset that the terms of the new contract are not more generous.

"Please keep in mind public opinion still matters in these difficult times when many are without jobs, paying into their medical insurance, without pensions," it said in a message to members Thursday.

Aaron Smith, senior research specialist with the Pew Research Center's Internet & American Life Project, said individuals and organizations alike are still trying to figure out how to use social media sites like Facebook and Twitter effectively without compromising confidential information.

"There is a certain tension between maintaining control of the discussion on one hand and allowing people to talk freely — particularly when you are dealing with organizations setting up officially sanctioned channels," he said.

Holiefield said the union understands the challenges of social media.

"Even with its limitations, the use of social media has given us a new opportunity for two-way communication with our members," he said. "At the point we reached tentative agreements, social media provided an avenue for members to post questions and get answers about the contracts, to interact with one another in honest and open debate, and to send feedback to the union, both positive and negative. We hope to continue and encourage this debate and participation."

From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20111021/AUTO01/110210354/Chrysler-voting-tilts-to-‘no’#ixzz1bQE95EhV

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Autos Insider | Chrysler vote leaning toward ratification | The Detroit News

Chrysler vote leaning toward ratification

UAW: Rejection means arbitration and a worse deal

Bryce G. Hoffman/ The Detroit News

Leaders of the United Auto Workers are urging members to think twice before voting against ratification of a new national contract with Chrysler Group LLC. And some workers are listening.

With 52.3 percent of workers at Chrysler's Sterling Heights Assembly Plant casting their ballots in favor of the agreement Friday, the vote now seems to be titling towards ratification.

UAW members at a number of small locals representing Chrysler parts distribution centers in California, Massachusetts, Georgia, Illinois, Texas and Florida also voted "Yes."

However, workers at the Sterling Heights Stamping Plant voted to reject the contract, with only 41 percent of assembly workers and 26 percent of skilled trades voting in favor of it.

On Thursday, members of UAW Local 51, which represents workers at Chrysler's Mack Avenue engine plants in Detroit, voted overwhelmingly in favor of the agreement. More than 90 percent of production workers and nearly 60 percent of skilled trades workers cast their ballots for ratification. A vote tally was not available Friday evening; together, the plants employ more than 300.

Members of UAW Local 422, which represents workers at Chrysler's parts distribution center in Boston, also voted "yes" on the new contract, 37-20.

UAW members began voting on the contract Monday. By Tuesday, workers at Chrysler's massive manufacturing complex in Kokomo, Ind., had thrown support solidly behind the contract.

But on Wednesday, workers in Illinois, Ohio and Michigan voted against ratification — a trend that continued Thursday when workers at Chrysler's Trenton Engine Complex also voted "no." Now the vote is too close to call.

Earlier this week, Chrysler announced it would invest $165 million in the Sterling Heights assembly plant.

"I think it's going to be a squeaker," said labor expert Kristen Dzicek of the Center for Automotive Research. But she warned that voting this contract down will not lead to better terms for union members. "There is no going back to the table. The procedure from here is arbitration."

UAW leaders have been touring plants making the same point to the rank and file. Chrysler workers gave up the right to strike as a condition of the 2009 bailout of their company by the federal government.

Dzicek said arbitration will likely cost workers money.

"It will be worse than the current contract," she said. "And if they do not sign, I suspect that there will not be a signing bonus."

Under the tentative agreement reached Oct. 12 between Chrysler and the UAW, workers get $1,750 for signing the contract, and another $1,750 once the company achieves financial stability.

The new agreement also promises substantial investment in U.S. factories — something that has Fiat SpA workers up in arms. Some went on strike this week to protest the transfer of work to Chrysler, which is owned by the Italian automaker.

Thousands of members of Fiom Cgil, Fiat's biggest union, walked off the line Friday. But Fiat-Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne warned that the strike would not help their cause.

"The strike is a very, very, very bad idea," he said this week in Turin, where Fiat is based. "You are telling someone who wants to invest in the country that you're not willing to participate and you are trying to impose conditions on the investments which you can't control."

Arbitration could drag out for more than a year, according to experts like Dzicek. But that would only save Chrysler money, because the automaker would be able to continue to pay workers what they make today. The new deal would substantially raise wages for entry-level employees, in addition to providing annual bonuses for all workers.

bhoffman@detnews.com

From The Detroit News: Autos Insider | Chrysler vote leaning toward ratification | The Detroit News

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Voto Chrysler sporgendosi verso la ratifica

UAW: significa arbitrato rifiuto e molto peggio

Bryce G. Hoffman / Il Detroit News

I leader della United Auto Workers stanno spingendo i membri di pensarci due volte prima di votare contro la ratifica di un nuovo contratto nazionale con Chrysler Group LLC. E alcuni lavoratori sono in ascolto.

Con 52,3 per cento dei lavoratori a Chrysler di Sterling Heights Assembly Plant di fusione il loro voto a favore del contratto di Venerdì, il voto sembra ormai essere titolazione verso la ratifica.

Membri UAW in una serie di piccoli locali che rappresentano Chrysler centri di distribuzione ricambi in California, Massachusetts, Georgia, Illinois, Texas e Florida, ha anche votato "Sì".

Tuttavia, i lavoratori a Sterling Heights Stamping impianto votato per respingere il contratto, con solo il 41 per cento dei lavoratori di montaggio e il 26 per cento del commercio specializzato di voto a suo favore.

Giovedi ', i membri della UAW Local 51, che rappresenta i lavoratori di Chrysler Mack impianti motori Avenue a Detroit, votato in massa a favore dell'accordo. Più del 90 per cento dei lavoratori di produzione e circa il 60 per cento dei lavoratori qualificati mestieri esprimere la loro preferenza per la ratifica. Un conteggio dei voti non era disponibile Venerdì sera, insieme, le piante impiegano più di 300.

I membri della UAW Local 422, che rappresenta i lavoratori al centro di distribuzione Chrysler parti di Boston, ha anche votato "sì" al nuovo contratto, 37-20.

Membri UAW cominciato a votare sul contratto Lunedi. Da Martedì, lavoratori sul luogo di grande complesso produttivo di Chrysler a Kokomo, Indiana, aveva gettato il supporto solidamente dietro il contratto.

Ma il Mercoledì, i lavoratori in Illinois, Ohio e Michigan ha votato contro la ratifica - una tendenza che ha continuato Giovedi quando i lavoratori di Chrysler a Trenton Engine Complesso anche votato "no". Ora il voto è troppo vicino alla chiamata.

All'inizio di questa settimana, Chrysler ha annunciato di voler investire 165 milioni dollari nello stabilimento di assemblaggio di Sterling Heights.

"Penso che sarà uno squittio," ha dichiarato Kristen Dzicek del lavoro esperto del Center for Automotive Research. Ma ha avvertito che il voto a questo contratto verso il basso non porterà a migliori condizioni per i membri del sindacato. "Non si può tornare indietro al tavolo. La procedura da qui è l'arbitrato."

I leader UAW sono state tour piante facendo lo stesso punto per la truppa. Lavoratori Chrysler ha dato il diritto di sciopero come condizione per il salvataggio 2009 della loro azienda da parte del governo federale.

Dzicek detto arbitrato è probabile che i lavoratori costo denaro.

"Sarà peggio che l'attuale contratto," ha detto. "E se non segno, ho il sospetto che non ci sarà un bonus di firma."

Secondo l'accordo provvisorio raggiunto 12 ottobre tra Chrysler e la UAW, lavoratori ottengono 1.750 dollari per la firma del contratto, e un altro 1.750 dollari una volta che l'azienda ottiene la stabilità finanziaria.

Il nuovo accordo promette anche notevoli investimenti in fabbriche degli Stati Uniti - cosa che ha lavoratori Fiat SpA in armi. Alcuni sono scesi in sciopero questa settimana per protestare contro il trasferimento di lavoro alla Chrysler, che è di proprietà della casa automobilistica italiana.

Migliaia di membri della Fiom Cgil, il più grande sindacato della Fiat, se ne andò la linea di Venerdì. Ma Fiat-Chrysler Sergio Marchionne ha avvertito che lo sciopero non avrebbe aiutato la loro causa.

"Lo sciopero è un'idea molto, molto, molto male", ha detto questa settimana a Torino, dove ha sede Fiat. "Tu sei dire a qualcuno che vuole investire nel paese che non siete disposti a partecipare e si sta tentando di imporre condizioni sugli investimenti che non si può controllare".

Arbitrato potrebbe trascinare fuori per più di un anno, secondo gli esperti, come Dzicek. Ma sarebbe solo di risparmiare denaro Chrysler, perché la casa automobilistica sarebbe in grado di continuare a pagare i lavoratori quello che fanno oggi. Il nuovo accordo dovrebbe notevolmente aumentare i salari per l'entry-level dipendenti, oltre a fornire i bonus annuale per tutti i lavoratori.

bhoffman@detnews.com

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Il nuovo contratto è approvato:

New UAW/Chrysler contract will be ratified at Allpar Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep News

The voting’s over; the final results still are being tallied but the current indications are that the rank-and-file members of the United Auto Workers’ Chrysler Department have approved ratification of a new four-year contract with Chrysler Group.

Official verification will come later today, but the tide had already turned in favor of the contract with recent approvals by workers at Jefferson North Assembly Plant and the Toledo Assembly Complex. Local 140 (Warren Truck), the last major local to vote, also approved the contract.