Scelte strategiche Tesla

[Maxwell61]

3 ore fa, Sandro scrive:

Da vetture che "vedono" i fantasmi posso anche aspettarmi il fenomeno del "phantom braking".
 

 

Te scherzi, ma i fantasmi che vede non sono occasionali, nè uno singolo

Uno dei migliori è questo, una folla:

 

 

 

Nessuna sorpesa che ogni tanto ne veda uno in mezzo alla corsia davanti a te che vai a 140 km/h.

E "gli salvi la vita"  

[Sandro]

Io ci scherzo proprio perché mi sembra così ridicolo... ma sono americani, posso aspettarmi di tutto da loro.

[Alain]

Tesla ha registrato solo UN incidente ogni 7,08 milioni di miglia percorse mentre i conducenti avevano il pilota automatico attivato.

Per i conducenti che NON avevano l'Autopilot abilitato, Tesla ha registrato un incidente ogni 1,29 milioni di miglia percorse.

L'Autopilot è quasi 5,5 volte più sicuro della guida manuale.

 

Cita

Anche se nessuna auto può prevenire tutti gli incidenti, lavoriamo ogni giorno per cercare di rendere molto meno probabile il loro verificarsi. Le funzioni di sicurezza attiva sono di serie su tutti i veicoli Tesla prodotti dopo settembre 2014, per un ulteriore livello di sicurezza che va oltre la struttura fisica di ogni vettura.

 

Poiché ogni Tesla è connessa, siamo in grado di utilizzare i miliardi di chilometri di dati reali della nostra flotta globale - di cui più di 9 miliardi sono stati guidati con l'Autopilot inserito - per comprendere i diversi modi in cui avvengono gli incidenti.

 

Quindi sviluppiamo funzioni che possono aiutare i conducenti Tesla a ridurre o evitare gli incidenti. Grazie agli aggiornamenti software over-the-air, siamo in grado di introdurre funzionalità e miglioramenti per la sicurezza anche molto tempo dopo la consegna dell'auto.

 

Report: https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport

[M86]

Oste com'è il vino?

 

Se Telsa riesce a fare in modo che l'autopilot si disattivi anche prima di quell'incidente su 7,08 milioni di miglia percorse, il sistema non sarà mai responsabile di incidenti 😶

https://www.motortrend.com/news/nhtsa-tesla-autopilot-investigation-shutoff-crash/

Cita

" Autopilot was running but "aborted vehicle control less than one second prior to the first impact."

 

Modificato 22 Ottobre da M86

[Maxwell61]

Ma per fortuna, i dati che Tesla nasconde, ogni tanto vengono fuori grazie a qualche anima pia. 

 

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-05-26/tesla-autopilot-alleged-data-breach-leak

 

Ma ci sono anche dati pubblici: 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2023/12/18/tesla-has-the-highest-accident-rate-of-any-auto-brand/

[Alain]

Tesla ha annunciato di aver dato il via ai lavori per la costruzione di quello che sarà il più grande Supercharger del mondo.

 

• 168 postazioni Supercharger a Lost Hills, CA
• Apertura a metà del 2025
• 1,5 MW di servizio di rete, in vista di una futura espansione
• 11 MW di pannelli solari e pensiline montati a terra, su 30 acri di terreno
• 10 Tesla Megapack con 39 MWh di accumulo
 

[Alain]

 

 

 

Un utente ha percorso lo stesso tragitto, da Santa Monica a West Hollywood, prima con una Waymo poi con una Tesla con FSD (Full Self-Driving). Entrambe hanno completato il percorso senza interventi, ma la Tesla è arrivata in 23 minuti, mentre la Waymo ha impiegato 33 minuti, oltre il 42% in più.

Ero a San Francisco a Febbraio, volevo prendere una Waymo al posto del classico Uber, ma l'app non era funzionante perchè il mio Apple ID è italiano. Peccato. La prossima volta mi organizzo e creo un video. 

Un aspetto interessante è che quando sarà implementato il Robotaxi di Tesla può essere completamente autonomo senza l'intervento dell'umano grazie alla carica ad induzione ed all'autolavaggio con i robot, mentre la concorrenza di Waymo è legata all'umano per la carica di elettricità tradizionale con il caricatore. 

[Maxwell61]

3 ore fa, Alain scrive:

Un utente

Un utente molto ben conosciuto, Whole Mars Blog, al secolo OMAR QAZI, incluso la sua fedina penale e il compartire la tavola con Elon  

 

https://dawnproject.com/the-deceptive-fsd-propaganda-of-omar-qazi/

 

Omar Qazi (@WholeMarsBlog), the leader of Elon Musk’s Full Self-Driving propaganda operation, constantly publishes tweets claiming that Full Self-Driving (FSD) is “really fucking good” and “arguably flawless”. Omar often makes announcements like “FSD BETA IS READY FOR ROBOTAXI!!!!!!!”, while publishing propaganda videos showing zero-intervention drives, where he never touches  the steering wheel or pedals as FSD drives him from place to place without any issues.

 

@WholeMarsBlog was identified by The Wall Street Journal as the Twitter account Elon Musk most often replies to. Omar always seems to be aware of internal Tesla FSD news before the general public. He is among the first to get new releases. And somehow, like Elon Musk, FSD does not require him to ever touch the steering wheel, even though it appears he doesn’t use a wheel weight. Some, including NHTSA, have speculated he has access to the recently discovered “Elon Mode”.

 

What we want to know is how Omar achieves the long flawless drives in San Francisco that he frequently publishes, such as this video published September 25, 2023. Most commentators on his X posts note that when they try similar drives where they live they are unable to achieve zero-intervention drives. 

 

Many people have speculated that since there are far more Teslas in California than anywhere else, FSD may be better trained to California roads and weather than elsewhere. But where we are located, in Santa Barbara, California, we get the same terrible results as everywhere else. So, FSD certainly isn’t optimized for all of California. 

 

Maybe FSD is only optimized for Omar’s (and FSD’s) hometown, San Francisco. But we tried FSD in San Francisco and found that it performed just as poorly in San Francisco as it did in Santa Barbara. So San Francisco isn’t the answer.

 

Maybe Omar cherry-picked routes that he found FSD was particularly good at. So we decided to replicate Omar’s routes exactly like he did them. Same starting point, same destination, same route, same version of FSD (11.4.7). And it was awful. It tried to run a red light, it put pedestrians at risk before stopping in the middle of an intersection, and then, just after we finished Omar’s route and took the same road back, it ran a stop sign.

Never once did we manage to replicate one of Omar’s hallowed zero-intervention drives.

Once you have eliminated all that is impossible then whatever remains must be the truth.

 

The only conclusion we can come to is that Omar tries many runs of his cherry-picked routes until the traffic and weather conditions are just right, and he gets lucky, resulting in a zero-intervention drive. He then publishes this cherry-picked video of a zero-intervention drive, presenting it as proof that FSD is ready for full autonomy, when the truth is FSD is a pile of trash that Omar says “will at some point randomly try to kill you”. FSD makes driving much more stressful, even Omar complains about it. FSD drives like a drunk teenager, or as Omar describes it, FSD “is like having a moron with three brain cells drive your car”. And all the while, Omar publishes promotional videos claiming FSD is amazing. 

 

We have repeatedly invited Omar and other FSD promoters to come to Santa Barbara to verify the results of our tests that show that FSD is terrible. Instead, they claim our tests are faked, then they refuse our invitation, because they know if they accepted, it would validate our claims. 

 

We have offered to come to San Francisco and have Omar drive his car on his routes with multiple cameras recording. He has refused because he knows that his deception will be uncovered.

No one should believe anything that Omar, the pathological liar, says.

Modificato 23 Ottobre da Maxwell61

[Alain]

42 minuti fa, Maxwell61 scrive:

Un utente molto ben conosciuto, Whole Mars Blog, al secolo OMAR QAZI, incluso la sua fedina penale e il compartire la tavola con Elon  

 

https://dawnproject.com/the-deceptive-fsd-propaganda-of-omar-qazi/

 

Omar Qazi (@WholeMarsBlog), the leader of Elon Musk’s Full Self-Driving propaganda operation, constantly publishes tweets claiming that Full Self-Driving (FSD) is “really fucking good” and “arguably flawless”. Omar often makes announcements like “FSD BETA IS READY FOR ROBOTAXI!!!!!!!”, while publishing propaganda videos showing zero-intervention drives, where he never touches  the steering wheel or pedals as FSD drives him from place to place without any issues.

 

@WholeMarsBlog was identified by The Wall Street Journal as the Twitter account Elon Musk most often replies to. Omar always seems to be aware of internal Tesla FSD news before the general public. He is among the first to get new releases. And somehow, like Elon Musk, FSD does not require him to ever touch the steering wheel, even though it appears he doesn’t use a wheel weight. Some, including NHTSA, have speculated he has access to the recently discovered “Elon Mode”.

 

What we want to know is how Omar achieves the long flawless drives in San Francisco that he frequently publishes, such as this video published September 25, 2023. Most commentators on his X posts note that when they try similar drives where they live they are unable to achieve zero-intervention drives. 

 

Many people have speculated that since there are far more Teslas in California than anywhere else, FSD may be better trained to California roads and weather than elsewhere. But where we are located, in Santa Barbara, California, we get the same terrible results as everywhere else. So, FSD certainly isn’t optimized for all of California. 

 

Maybe FSD is only optimized for Omar’s (and FSD’s) hometown, San Francisco. But we tried FSD in San Francisco and found that it performed just as poorly in San Francisco as it did in Santa Barbara. So San Francisco isn’t the answer.

 

Maybe Omar cherry-picked routes that he found FSD was particularly good at. So we decided to replicate Omar’s routes exactly like he did them. Same starting point, same destination, same route, same version of FSD (11.4.7). And it was awful. It tried to run a red light, it put pedestrians at risk before stopping in the middle of an intersection, and then, just after we finished Omar’s route and took the same road back, it ran a stop sign.

Never once did we manage to replicate one of Omar’s hallowed zero-intervention drives.

Once you have eliminated all that is impossible then whatever remains must be the truth.

 

The only conclusion we can come to is that Omar tries many runs of his cherry-picked routes until the traffic and weather conditions are just right, and he gets lucky, resulting in a zero-intervention drive. He then publishes this cherry-picked video of a zero-intervention drive, presenting it as proof that FSD is ready for full autonomy, when the truth is FSD is a pile of trash that Omar says “will at some point randomly try to kill you”. FSD makes driving much more stressful, even Omar complains about it. FSD drives like a drunk teenager, or as Omar describes it, FSD “is like having a moron with three brain cells drive your car”. And all the while, Omar publishes promotional videos claiming FSD is amazing. 

 

We have repeatedly invited Omar and other FSD promoters to come to Santa Barbara to verify the results of our tests that show that FSD is terrible. Instead, they claim our tests are faked, then they refuse our invitation, because they know if they accepted, it would validate our claims. 

 

We have offered to come to San Francisco and have Omar drive his car on his routes with multiple cameras recording. He has refused because he knows that his deception will be uncovered.

No one should believe anything that Omar, the pathological liar, says.

 

che angoscia però, guarda che non devo fare cambiare idea a nessuno tanto meno a te, se trovo un video interessante ed è pertinente alla discussione lo condivido. 

il video c'è, ha guidato come tanti altri youtuber in autonomia completa, dimostrando la validità del software. non vedo lo scandalo. 

la guida autonoma di Tesla è perfetta? non penso, lo dicono anche loro che non si possono azzerare le possibilità di incidente, ma sicuramente abbatte le probabilità di incidente rispetto alla guida manuale. detto questo mi sembra evidente che il sistema sia valido e negarlo è da stupidi. 

[Maxwell61]

@Alain mi dispiace angosciarti, ma devi capire che la mia Model 3 LR 2021 ha cercato di ammazzarmi, e non era nemmeno l'Autopilot, quindi non sono molto tollerante sulle pubblicità ad aspetti notoriamente accertati come pericolosi dagli enti di mezzo mondo e in particolare NHTSA americano, per i morti che hanno fatto.

Modificato 23 Ottobre da Maxwell61