La Jihad e le guerre dimenticate

[Мир]

nave turca COSTRETTA a cambio rotta :lol:

comunque imho i turchi stanno appositamente cercando un incidente

Penso che lo troveranno, ma nelle modalità e nei tempi voluti dalla Russia.

Fra Russia e Turchia vi sono state moltissime guerre, hanno una certa esperienza...

[JackSEWing]

Penso che lo troveranno' date=' ma nelle modalità e nei tempi voluti dalla Russia.

Fra Russia e Turchia vi sono state moltissime guerre, hanno una certa esperienza...[/quote']

quasi tutte vinte dalla Russia aggiungo

segnalo questo articolo molto interessante (notare la fonte...che non è esattamente la pravda)

http://www.stripes.com/news/us-backed-syrian-rebel-group-on-verge-of-collapse-1.383853?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=New%20Campaign&utm_term=*Situation%20Report

oltre ad una mappa aggiornata contiene anche questa piccola perla per voce di un comandante dello FSA

The situation has gotten so bad, Salabeh said, that some FSA fighters are questioning the reason for continuing the conflict. He said a growing number believe the time has come for a ceasefire even it means cooperating with Assad.

“After all, Bashar isn’t all that bad,” Salabeh said.

siamo vicini ad una svolta IMHO

[kire_06]

Me l'ha inviata poco fa un amico tramite uazzap, sperando che non sia roba vecchia..

[boygrunge]

pazzesco, siamo* proprio dei coglioni!!!

http://www.difesaonline.it/mondo-militare/lo-stato-islamico-ha-ricevuto-gas-sarin-dalla-turchia-materiali-di-base-la-produzione

*dato che siamo europei, nella NATO, etc etc

[kire_06]

Sono passati più di 20 anni, ma il giochino a quanto pare continua a ripetersi...

Grandissimo Bill Hick, consiglio vivamente la visione a tutti coloro che non credono alle stro***ate propinateci dai mass-media

[JackSEWing]

e la svolta arrivò

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/15/no-regime-change-in-syria-after-talks-in-moscow-kerry-accepts-russian-stance-on/

[h=1]No 'regime change' in Syria: After talks in Moscow, Kerry accepts Russian stance on Assad[/h]

MOSCOW – U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Tuesday accepted Russia's long-standing demand that President Bashar Assad's future be determined by his own people, as Washington and Moscow edged toward putting aside years of disagreement over how to end Syria's civil war.

"The United States and our partners are not seeking so-called regime change," Kerry told reporters in the Russian capital after meeting President Vladimir Putin. A major international conference on Syria would take place later this week in New York, Kerry announced.

Kerry reiterated the U.S. position that Assad, accused by the West of massive human rights violations and chemical weapons attacks, won't be able to steer Syria out of 4 ½ years of conflict.

But after a day of discussions with Assad's key international backer, Kerry said the focus now is "not on our differences about what can or cannot be done immediately about Assad." Rather, it is on facilitating a peace process in which "Syrians will be making decisions for the future of Syria."

Kerry's declarations crystallized the evolution in U.S. policy on Assad over the last several months, as the Islamic State group's growing influence in the Middle East has taken priority.

President Barack Obama first called on Assad to leave power in the summer of 2011, with "Assad must go," being a consistent rallying cry. Later, American officials allowed that he wouldn't have to resign on "Day One" of a transition. Now, Assad's stay could be indefinite.

Russia, by contrast, has remained consistent in its view that no foreign government could demand Assad's departure and that Syrians would have to negotiate matters of leadership among themselves. Since late September, it has been bombing terrorist and rebel targets in Syria as part of what the West says is an effort to prop up Assad's government.

Kerry said, "No one should be forced to choose between a dictator and being plagued by terrorists." However, he described the Syrian opposition's demand that Assad must leave as soon as peace talks begin as a "nonstarting position, obviously."

Earlier Tuesday in the Kremlin, Putin noted several "outstanding issues" between Russia and its former Cold War foe. Beyond Assad, these include which rebel groups in Syria should be allowed to participate in the transition process and which should be deemed terrorists, and like the Islamic State group and al-Qaida, be combatted by all.

Jordan is working on finalizing the list of terrorist v. legitimate opposition forces. Representatives of Syria's opposition themselves hope this week to finalize their negotiating team for talks with Assad's government. The U.S., Russia and others hope those talks will begin early next year.

Appearing beside Kerry, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov hailed what he described as a "big negotiating day," saying the sides advanced efforts to define what a Syrian transition process might look like.

The two countries also have split on Ukraine since Russia's annexation of the Crimea region last year and its ongoing, though diminished, support for separatist rebels in the east of the country. The U.S. has pressed severe economic sanctions against Russia in response and has insisted that Moscow's actions have left it isolated.

But Kerry sang a different tune on Tuesday.

"We don't seek to isolate Russia as a matter of policy, no," Kerry said. The sooner Russia implements a February cease-fire that calls for withdrawal of Russian forces and materiel and a release of all prisoners, he said, the sooner that "sanctions can be rolled back."

The world is better off when Russia and the U.S. work together, he added, calling Obama and Putin's current cooperation a "sign of maturity."

"There is no policy of the United States, per se, to isolate Russia," Kerry stressed.

[Martin Venator]

http://www.analisidifesa.it/2015/12/il-sarin-di-ghouta-era-dellisis-e/

[JackSEWing]

2 ore fa, Martin Venator dice:

http://www.analisidifesa.it/2015/12/il-sarin-di-ghouta-era-dellisis-e/

e sui media mainstream niente....

[Cosimo]

notizia gravissima. Mi chiedo se sia proprio il caso che la turchia debba entrare in europa con una linea politica del genere.

 

[hot500abarth]

Continuo a pensare che la posizione della turchia sia fin troppo ambigua..nonostante questo l'unico che ha le palle di dire cone stanno le cose sembra putin...sotto sotto ci devono essere degli interessi davvero galattici per mantenere questa facciata quando ormai quasi tutti pensano che la turchia abbia a che fare con i rifornimenti e quant'altro ai terroristi