Boeing 737 e 737 MAX

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Trudeau parla di abbatimento

 

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1215363546382467074?s=20

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[Albe89]

C'è un video che mostrerebbe il momento dell'abbattimento:

https://video.corriere.it/esteri/aereo-precipitato-iran-momento-dell-esplosione-cielo-video-un-cittadino-teheran/06fc97b4-3319-11ea-b5a6-c2421dcee75f

 

secondo me è molto probabile che sia stato abbattuto, altrimenti Teheran non avrebbe motivo di "trattenere" le scatole nere, se si dimostrasse l'ennesimo guasto ad un 737 relativamente nuovo (mi pare avesse tre anni di attività) aggraverebbe la posizione di una azienda dello stato "nemico" mettendola ulteriormente in difficoltà.

[Damynavy]

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51058929

 

 

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The documents include derogatory references to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and foreign regulators, to simulator supplier TRU, and to airline customers.

 

“This airplane is designed by clowns, who are in turn supervised by monkeys,” one Boeing pilot wrote to another in a 2017 exchange.

 

Boeing issued a profuse apology as it released the documents and promised to take disciplinary action against individuals involved.

 

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One exchange related to Indonesian airline Lion Air is particularly chilling.

 

In June 2017, a month after the first MAX was delivered to Malindo Air, a Malaysian subsidiary of Lion Air Group, one Boeing pilot wrote to another during an instant message exchange about how an airline in the Lion Air Group was asking for a flight simulator to train its pilots on the MAX.

 

“Maybe because of their own stupidity,” he wrote. “I’m scrambling to figure out how to unscrew this now! idiots”

 

“WHAT THE F%$&!!!!,” the second pilot responded. “But their sister airline is already flying it!”

 

The first pilot responded that he’d asked for a teleconference with the civil-aviation authority of India, which is called DGCA. This airline flew into India and required DGCA approval.

 

“Not sure if this is Lion’s fault or DGCA yet,” he wrote.

 

The names of the pilots are redacted, though in one instance the name slipped through: Patrik Gustavsson, the deputy lead technical pilot on the MAX program. The other pilot is identifiable by his title in multiple emails as Mark Forkner, at the time chief technical pilot on the MAX.

 

The two pilots were working to develop the flight simulators and to determine the pilot training that would be required for a pilot to move from the previous 737 model to the MAX.

 

In an internal email that same day, Forkner, wrote “I’m putting out fires with [redacted name] who suddenly think they need simulator training to fly the MAX.”

 

The following day, Forkner forcefully argued in an email to someone in Jakarta, Indonesia, headquarters of Lion Air, that “There is absolutely no reason to require your pilots to require a MAX simulator to begin flying the MAX,” he wrote. “Boeing does not understand what is to be gained.”

 

Forkner asked what the Indian regulator DGCA was requiring. He argued that the regulatory authorities in the U.S., Europe, Canada, China, Malaysia and Argentina had all accepted that only a short course of computer-based training was necessary.

 

The hard sell worked. On June 7, the airline official wrote back to accept Boeing’s position. Forkner promptly emailed a colleague within Boeing: “Looks like my jedi mind trick worked again!”

 

Forkner later described how he sent an email to the DGCA listing all the airlines and regulators that accept the computer-based training rather than simulator training for the MAX, “to make them feel stupid about trying to require any additional training requirements.”

 

The first MAX crash that killed 189 people the following year was a Lion Air jet in Indonesia.

 

Throughout the documents, from 2013 to 2018, employees stress the importance of presenting the MAX as a simple derivative of the previous 737 model with systems that would not require extensive additional certification or pilot training.

 

“I want to stress the importance of holding firm that there will not be any type of simulator training required to transition from the NG to the MAX. Boeing will not allow that to happen,” Forkner wrote in March 2017. “We’ll go face to face with any regulator who tries to make that a requirement.”

 

 

In 2018, the documents show, multiple Boeing employees working on the MAX simulator had serious concerns about technical deficiencies and related problems with the simulator.

 

In February that year, a Boeing employee discussed the state of the simulators in an instant message exchange. “Honesty is the only way in this job – integrity when lives are on the line on the aircraft and training programs shouldn’t be taken with a pinch of salt,” he wrote to another pilot. “Would you put your family on a MAX simulator trained aircraft?”

 

“I wouldn’t,” he answered himself and his colleague agreed, responding, “No.”

 

Later that year, in an email discussion between two Boeing employees, one asked “what is causing the MAX simulator program to press on regardless of the risks to the Boeing brand?”

 

“Everyone has it in their head meeting schedule is the most important because that’s what Leadership pressure and messages. All the messages are about meeting schedule, not delivering quality,” he wrote. “We put ourselves in this position by picking the lowest cost supplier and signing up to impossible schedules. Why did the lowest ranking and most unproven supplier receive the contract? Solely because of bottom dollar.”

 

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[itr83]

15 ore fa, ISO-8707 scrive:

 

Perché dell'Iran c'è da fidarsi... ?

 

 

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Si può dire caso chiuso..?

 

 

Quello che volevo dire è che in questo momento non c'è da fidarsi di nessuno.

 

Dal video comunque sembra proprio un abbattimento.

Sempre che non sia artefatto.

 

Quando c'è di mezzo la politica internazionale ognuno tira acqua al suo mulino...

[Damynavy]

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/iran-says-it-unintentionally-shot-down-ukrainian-jetliner/?utm_source=marketingcloud&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=BNA_011120041243+Iran+says+it+‘unintentionally’+shot+down+Ukrainian+jetliner_1_10_2020&utm_term=Registered User

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[Damynavy]

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51115650

 

-Boeing said net orders after cancellations for 2019 totalled just 54 planes. That compares with 893 the previous year.-

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[shadow_line]

31 minuti fa, Damynavy scrive:

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51115650

 

-Boeing said net orders after cancellations for 2019 totalled just 54 planes. That compares with 893 the previous year.-

 

e questo non é "late night trash talk" ma carta (dei contratti-non-firmati) che canta..

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