1 ora fa, Bare scrive:

I see a top Alfa GTV as a competitor to a future BMW 8er Coupe.

Lo vedo molto meno "borghese" e più sportivo di 8er (da quel che si capisce di 8er)...

 

Il prezzi della Q Blue 650cv secondo me sarà comunque molto alto con trazione integrale, elettrificazione, etc...

Modificato 8 Giugno 20187 anni fa da iDrive

1 ora fa, Bare scrive:

I see a top Alfa GTV as a competitor to a future BMW 8er Coupe.

I don't see these comparision, because BMW plans a positioning of 8er as competitor for S-Class Coupe, so GTV then would also be a competitor for the S-Coupe and an Alfa like that no Alfa fan will realy I think. These are cars for rich pensioners.

1 ora fa, Bare scrive:

I see a top Alfa GTV as a competitor to a future BMW 8er Coupe.

The GTV will scare more than one German manufacturer...be sure. And you know what is funny? that all depends only by ALFA and not by what the "others" will produce, since what Alfa could be able to put in the market is simply missing actually and could really  be a big pain in the axx of many competitors..And it is funny because if ALFA will not produce this car as she deserves and as we deserve, they will simply miss an incredible opportunity. And I will not sell my Quadri to buy a GTV but probably to buy again a German car...

Modificato 8 Giugno 20187 anni fa da Savage

18 minutes ago, 4200blu said:

I don't see these comparision, because BMW plans a positioning of 8er as competitor for S-Class Coupe, so GTV then would also be a competitor for the S-Coupe and an Alfa like that no Alfa fan will realy I think. These are cars for rich pensioners.

Maybe not direct but very likely an official price will be very close to some versions of 8er Coupe. I can't see a price which is on level of future M4 Coupe. Not for a 650 HP version. Maybe if there will be a less powerful V6 as an option.

 

@Savage
Who is in thi waters from German manufacturers? Only Porsche and BMW. Or?

Certainly Alfa will have a very interesting cards in play.

1 ora fa, Bare scrive:

Maybe not direct but very likely an official price will be very close to some versions of 8er Coupe. I can't see a price which is on level of future M4 Coupe. Not for a 650 HP version. Maybe if there will be a less powerful V6 as an option.

 

@Savage
Who is in thi waters from German manufacturers? Only Porsche and BMW. Or?

Certainly Alfa will have a very interesting cards in play.

A GTV could compete (with similar engines) against RS5,  against M4 and C63 coupe. But I think that at some level of performances, price and power  (if north of 600 hp as promised) it will easily compete even with the next M8 as you wrote. Technically then, both will be 2+2 in the meaning that the rear seats will not be incredibly comfortable but enough comfortable.The M8  will never be offered  for less than 140.000 euro. A similar GTV too I suppose (but who knows). Now it will be evident that both of them will be compared by the market and journalists since collocated in similar category of prices, performances and purposes . One will be an extraordinary sport GT (with plenty of luxury ) oriented to some kind of people. The other will be less refined but sure more, let me say, "animalistic and performing" (this is what I predict so just my opinion). So yes from some points of view, the two cars could compete, but people that really love to drive will buy ALFA GTV  ," the beast" , while people that like "luxurious oriented Sport cars" will buy the M8 ..

Now M8 can't compete with M4 or c63 or Rs5 right? well, this GTV with just the Quadrifoglio engine could compete with the M4-RS5-C63 devasting their sense of superiority..while a GTV with 640 hp and adeguate price, will easily compete with the next M8. Can you find another car that can concurrently compete in such two different categories? this is why if ALFA will miss this opportunity I think it will make a stupid fluxing mistake and competitors will start to breathe again..They have an huge opportunity

and I hope they will not miss it or wait too much. Concurrents are not stupid..

Porsche..: they have not a similar car on their portfolio...but they will have to accept the risk that an 8C could create in the segment..So with just two cars Alfa could fight with at least the best of 4 Top German producers ..Isn't it an incredible opportunity?

Modificato 8 Giugno 20187 anni fa da Savage

1 ora fa, Savage scrive:

Can you find another car that can concurrently compete in such two different categories? this is why if ALFA will miss this opportunity I think it will make a stupid fluxing mistake and competitors will start to breathe again..

911... ed e la più venduta...

 

911 può essere concorrente delle D-coupe nelle sue versioni base e S fino a fare concorrenza con supersportive McLren, Lambo o Ferrari in versioni GTx.

 

GTV potrebbe fare lo stesso senza andare troppo in alto (dove ci sarà 8C).

Modificato 8 Giugno 20187 anni fa da iDrive

3 minuti fa, iDrive scrive:

911... ed e la più venduta...

è un po tirato come esempio ma ci sta.. In effetti se i giornalisti sono stati costretti a confrontare una m4 CS con una 911 GTS è perché si assomigliano per prezzo e mentalità ma non per categoria specifica.Cosi accadrà pure tra GTV hybrid VS M8 secondo me...

M8 secondo me sarà troppo "grosso" e borghese, più da E Coupe AMG S o S Coupe AMG S.

 

Anche se ancora non si conosce bene come saranno veramente sia GTV che 8er.

2 minuti fa, iDrive scrive:

M8 secondo me sarà troppo "grosso" e borghese, più da E Coupe AMG S o S Coupe AMG S.

 

Anche se ancora non si conosce bene come saranno veramente sia GTV che 8er.

rumors lo danno più piccolo di M6..vedremo

4 ore fa, VuOtto scrive:

M4 sta attorno agli 80k. Non avrebbe chances. DEVE costare uguale, sennò molti possibili clienti andranno di BMW M.

Quella attuale, che a tra molto poco verra' sostituita e dato che dovranno lavorare sul motore e innalzare parecchio la potenza, credo che arrivera' facilmente in zona 90 mila...