Fiat 124 Spider 2016

[stev66]

Il problema era che nei sauerkraut ci hanno messo l'ingradiente che da' dipendenza....

[alederme]

Il problema era che nei sauerkraut ci hanno messo l'ingradiente che da' dipendenza....

C'è poco Da fare stev, fino a poco tempo fa non c'era nemmeno la possibilità di scegliere... avevano smesso i japani di fare sportive e stesso dicasi di ita e fra, chiaro che in otto anni uno ne infila due tre di sportive, ora una delle tre potrebbe essere ita o jap

[CoreVD]

Sono contento che delle 4 sportive "per la massa" almeno una sia turbo.

Adesso tutti quelli che in mesi e mesi ho sentito dire "io me la comprerei una Toyobaru se avesse il turbo" dove sono finiti? Ora il turbo c'è, non c'è più il problema del bollo, della coppia, della rimappa facile...

Voglio vedere ora chi ha le palle di spendere sti 30.000 euro per una sportivetta VERA per noi plebei, senza cerchi da 20'' in cristallo, senza cavallerie da tir per compensare le carenze telaistiche, senza i rivestimenti in pelle di cervo sudasiatico sull'aletta parasole, ecc.

Susususu, fuori i cashhh!

[alederme]

Io avrei voluto i rivestimenti in pelle di cervo sudasiatico delle alette, peccato!

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Abarth to take 124 Spider rallying | PistonHeads

Abarth to take 124 Spider rallying

NickGibbs posted on Thursday, November 19, 2015 in Euro cars

The day after the 124 Spider is revealed Abarth is talking more power and - get this - WRC!

Fiat is heading back into WRC with an Abarth version of the Fiat 124 Spider, a source close to the tuning company has told PistonHeads. The car will compete in what's said be a new sports car category designed to restore some petrolhead credibility to the supermini-dominated series. The likely entry date looks to be 2017, when the 124 Abarth road car will also go on sale.

Just announced and already going racing

That car, also based on the Mazda MX-5, is expected to use 160hp and 190hp versions of the 1.4-liter turbocharged four-cylinder used by the 500 Abarth. That's up from the standard 140hp used by the recently announced 124 Spider and should create a gutsy little sports car given the Mazda's 1000kg weight. The source also claims there'll be a version making over 200hp from the same 1.4 engine to tie in with the rally car's introduction. The road-going Abarth comes with a beefed up front bumper to create a sporty counterpoint to the rather mild-looking 124 and will be sold with an optional matt black bonnet to draw comparisons with the Abarth tuned 124 Stradale homologation car built in the early 70s to satisfy entry requirements for the 124 rally car. It'll also be available with a hardtop like that car.

The last time Fiat was seriously involved with world rallying was the golden period in the late 70s/early 80s when it won the World Rally Championship three times with the iconic 131 Abarth, once with Markku Alen at the wheel, the last time in 1980 with Walter Rohrl.

The 1980s was the Golden era

Fiat's return to rallying via Abarth has long been rumoured and the tuning arm has competed on a national level with versions of the 500 and Punto, but this looks finally to be happening (although at Fiat, plans are always subject to change). Abarth itself is going great guns with global sales on course to hit 10,000 a year, up from around 7,000, the head of the brand told us. That's purely based on versions of the 500, latest of which is the hardcore 190hp Biposto two-seater (the Punto version was discontinued). The range will expand further with an Abarth version of the Fiat 500X small SUV, the brand said, giving three models in total. We're told the UK vies with Italy for the title of world's largest Abarth market, and the UK arm tells they're increasing the number of Fiat dealerships authorized to sell Abarths from 68 to 103. Stick a gleaming red 124 Abarth Stradale with matt black bonnet and hardtop on the forecourt and you'll get us through the door.

Nuovi rumors sulla futura 124 Abarth. Riassumendo:

-tre step di potenza : 160, 190 e "oltre 200" cv

-disponibile con cofano nero e hardtop come l'originale

-ritorno al WRC nel 2017, in una nuova categoria per sportive "pure"

ovviamente tutto da prendere con le pinze.

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topspeed

[TonyH]

Spero vivamente di starci dentro perchè avere il contagiri bello lì in vista diretto fa molto sangue (anche alle polizie municipali perchè poi ti disinteressi completamente di quanto vai e rischi grosso)

[pennellotref]

Un "Cosa dice di lei la stampa di settore" riassunto da Automotive News:

http://www.autonews.com/article/20151121/OEM04/151129966/aural-sparkle-arachnids-and-calzone-stuffed-with-sushi-grade-tuna

Aural sparkle, arachnids, and calzone stuffed with sushi-grade tuna: What people think of the Fiat 124 Spider

Jack Walsworth

Automotive News

November 21, 2015 - 12:01 am ET

The 2017 Fiat 124 Spider, introduced at the Los Angeles Auto Show, marks the two-door’s return after several decades. Featuring retro styling notes, the convertible is based on Mazda’s MX-5 Miata. Here’s what some critics and others are saying about the 124.

“We can breath a sigh of relief, the Fiat 124 Spider doesn’t look like an arachnid. Sorry Fiat, but those grainy pre-show photos of a black version -- leaked online prior to the LA Auto Show -- were as flattering as an oversized tee and pair of Crocs.” -- Nick Kurczewski, New York Daily News

“The result is a thoroughly modern interpretation of the classic affordable Italian roadster. The original 124 Spider competed with little European convertibles like the MGB, Austin-Healey Sprite, Triumph Spitfire and Alfa Romeo Spider.” -- Mark Phelan, Detroit Free Press

“Bringing back a beloved if eccentric crowd-pleaser from the ’60s and '70s, Fiat is reintroducing this classic, stripped-down, two-door, convertible roadster. Luckily, for those concerned about Fiat reliability, the engine and power train are mostly made by Mazda: This is a Miata, in other words, in Italian clothes.” -- Charles Fleming, Los Angeles Times

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“Powering the new 124 Spider is Fiat’s own turbocharged MultiAir 1.4-liter inline-four engine borrowed from the Abarth version of the 500. That means 160 hp and 184 lb-ft of torque are on tap, with either a six-speed manual or an automatic transmission sending that power to the rear wheels -- the first use of this powerplant in a rear-wheel drive vehicle.” -- Jay Ramey, Autoweek

“Are we the only ones who see a bit of a baby Viper from some angles? A hint of Ford Thunderbird from the front? And -- dare we say it -- a cheeky bit of Chrysler Crossfire? To us, the design looks more Italian American than classic Italian.” -- Rowan Horncastle, Top Gear

“The suspension tuning is slightly different than the Mazda, say Fiat engineers, and the transmission’s final drive ratio also differs to better cover the different output and characteristics of the turbocharged engine. A unique dual exhaust is standard, and combined with the snorty 1.4-liter engine, should provide some pure Italian aural sparkle that the Miata lacks.” -- Aaron Bragman, Cars.com

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“The Fiat 124 Spider unveiled at the LA Auto Show … is a little polarizing, to say the least: the roadster, based on Mazda’s lauded new Miata, has some odd design elements that seem to leave it hanging somewhere between Italy and Japan. But even if you don’t love the way it looks, there’s reason to be excited, because the 124 is shipping with the same turbocharged mill as the 500 Abarth -- a great little car that sounds wonderful and knows how to move.” -- Tamara Warren and Chris Zieglar, The Verge

“The Spider does have two interior commonalities with its Mazda cousin. The manual soft top (no power option) is secured by a single header latch and can be easily operated with one hand, from the driver’s seat. And the Fiat shares the Mazda’s steering column which adjusts for rake, but not reach.

“As noted, the 124 will be offered in two trim levels -- Classico, the basic Spider, and Lusso, which is Italian for luxury. There will also be a limited launch edition of 124 cars, the Prima Edizione Lusso, loaded with every feature in the inventory, sky blue metallic finish, and tan leather interior. The 124 Spider won’t appear in showrooms until summer 2016, and Fiat isn’t ready to announce pricing. However, it’s a good bet that the Spider price range will be higher than Mazda’s MSRP ladder, which runs from $24,790 to $33,475.” -- Tony Swan, Kelly Blue Book

“Future Monday morning quarterbacks will no doubt continue debating whether Fiat-Chrysler should have conceived the spider co-developed with Mazda on the fourth-gen Miata platform as a Fiat or an Alfa Romeo. There was certainly ample precedent to head in either direction. The car’s proportions would have supported either; they would mostly wind up in the same dealerships anyway; and now that we’ve seen the 124 Spider, we’re through wondering what a ‘graduate’ Miata would’ve looked like. This car is gorgeous in the flesh, and its design is remarkably faithful to Tom Tjaarda’s Pininfarina original, which stands to this day as the best-selling Fiat in the U.S. (more than 175,000 sold between 1967 and 1985).” -- Frank Markus, Motor Trend

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“I’m impressed overall. I’ve driven the new Miata and found it to be extremely enjoyable, and I think the 124 has even better looks (I prefer the front end to the Miata considerably), and the 160 HP MultiAir is an engine I’ve grown fond of in the 500 Abarth. It all feels like a pretty compelling combination. … This Italian-Japanese fusion is looking like a great idea, like a calzone stuffed with sushi-grade tuna or something.” -- Jason Torchinsky, Jalopnik

“Underneath the pretty skin hides the MX-5’s backbone chassis, comprised largely of aluminum and high-strength steel. Ditto for the control-arm front suspension and multilink rear arrangement, front-midships engine placement, and even what appears to be the Miata’s windshield structure. These components all work together beautifully in the Mazda, and we harbor little fear that the Fiat will drag itself down curvy back roads like a hungover gorilla on Rollerblades. Fiat isn’t saying yet whether it fiddled with the Miata’s spring, damper, and anti-roll bar settings, but the only area on which it could improve is the Mazda’s comical body roll.” -- Alexander Stoklosa, Car and Driver

“The boxy rear end resolves a design flaw of the Miata, which has taillamps that appear too close together inside the rear deck because of their spatial relationship to that car’s flared-out rear fenders. The Spider has a much nicer spatial balance, and the car’s design manager, Felix Kilbertus, says the more creased shape improves the car’s aerodynamics. Indeed, the extra length gives the Fiat 124 Spider a more relaxed, languid air about it. … Fiat promises more trim levels to come, but for now, we complained about the ‘automatic only’ limitations of the Lusso to Ralph Gilles, who vows he’ll bring it up with top management. We’re not naive about the current status of the old-fashioned three-pedal manual gearbox, especially on a car making its debut at the Los Angeles Auto Show, in a town where traffic makes manuals a quaint relic of the past. But of all cars, the Fiat 124 Spider deserves manual availability across the board, just like its stepsibling.” -- Todd Lassa, Automobile

“Looks fine, but I don’t think it looks distinctive or different enough. I thought the level of distinctiveness was going to be more like the Chrysler Crossfire versus the Mercedes-Benz SLK.” -- Karl Brauer, Kelly Blue Book analyst in The Detroit News

N.B.: il tizio del LA Times non mi ha studiato la lezione.......

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[madmaf]

Nuovi rumors sulla futura 124 Abarth. Riassumendo:

-tre step di potenza : 160, 190 e "oltre 200" cv

-disponibile con cofano nero e hardtop come l'originale

-ritorno al WRC nel 2017, in una nuova categoria per sportive "pure"

ovviamente tutto da prendere con le pinze.

Cioè FIAT tornerebbe in WRC con un'auto che di fatto è di un altro costruttore? Per far pubblicità a Mazda? Mah... ho seri dubbi

[loric]

Cioè FIAT tornerebbe in WRC con un'auto che di fatto è di un altro costruttore? Per far pubblicità a Mazda? Mah... ho seri dubbi

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