[USA] Fiat 500 M.Y. 2018

[3volumi3]

1 ora fa, Lagarith dice:

Why did fiat decide to sell these cars in u.s. Market.. Didn't they know that this market doesn't enjoy small cars?

Mi pare che durante la crisi delle Big Three il governo USA avesse messo in chiaro che per salvarle avrebbero dovuto avere nella gamma veicoli dalle emissioni particolarmente basse. Per questo fu incentivata l'acquisizione di Chrysler da parte di FIAT con relativa commercializzazione delle parche utilitarie italiane in suolo statunitense.
Non per niente a quei tempi c'era lui, che ci teneva a queste cose:

 

Ora i tempi sono cambiati perché c'è quest'altro...

[Gianlu96]

14 ore fa, max_pershin dice:

Shift of trends. The market is very different compare to European. For the price of 500 you can buy Mazda 3. For the price of 500x you can buy 300hp car. Minivans are dying. Small minivans are already dead.

People do not want to buy small expensive cars. They want big SUV and pick up.

FIAT can sell more if propose SUV of Cherokee or RAV4 size. Or 7 seats SUV. But they prefer to sell cars that no one wants

 

☏ Z957 ☏

 

 

 

 

300hp and over gasoline for driving between 65 and 75mph is a NO-SENSE, when a good and economical 150-200hp gasoline/diesel is enough in the most of cases.

Especially, when a lot of people choose automatic transmission. Furthermore, in America, distances are too high and it's the best potential market for diesel. Cleandiesel, obviously, not VW diesel!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Modificato 11 Febbraio 2018 da Gianlu96

[max_pershin]

2 ore fa, Lagarith dice:

Thanks for your answer
Why did fiat decide to sell these cars in u.s. Market.. Didn't they know that this market doesn't enjoy small cars?

I think FIAT tried to follow Mini, but Mini offers more models. This segment now is shrinking, this is the problem. Anyway FIAT concentrated on the most expensive models, company proposes them for people who want to be different. I see 500 and Mini pretty often on the streets, so both brands will have a market share in a future.

[max_pershin]

19 minuti fa, Gianlu96 dice:

 

300hp and over gasoline for driving between 65 and 75mph is a NO-SENSE, when a good and economical 150-200hp gasoline/diesel is enough in the most of cases.

Especially, when a lot of people choose automatic transmission. Furthermore, in America, distances are too high and it's the best potential market for diesel. Cleandiesel, obviously, not VW diesel!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The question is even not in a power but in a size and comfort. Diesel fuel in most cases is more expensive than gas, diesel cars are more expensive as well. So there is no reason to buy a diesel, no savings at all. There is no taxes that depends on CO2 or size of car.

 

Today's average price in Calgary for 1L of diesel is 1.255$ (0.81Euro). The same price for the regular gas is 1.095$ (0.71Euro). So what is the point to buy a diesel?

Modificato 11 Febbraio 2018 da max_pershin

[Gianlu96]

3 minuti fa, max_pershin dice:

The question is even not in a power but in a size and comfort. Diesel fuel in most cases is more expensive than gas, diesel cars are more expensive as well. So there is no reason to buy a diesel, no savings at all. There is no taxes that depends on CO2 or size of car.

 

Today's average price in Calgary for 1L of diesel is 1.255$ (0.81Euro). The same price for the regular gas is 1.095$ (0.71Euro). So what is the point to buy a diesel?

 

I suppose that diesel is cheaper than regular gas. In this case, you don't have convenience.

In USA, fuel gas is similar to Canada?

[max_pershin]

12 minuti fa, Gianlu96 dice:

 

I suppose that diesel is cheaper than regular gas. In this case, you don't have convenience.

In USA, fuel gas is similar to Canada?

Yes, in US gas is 17% cheaper than diesel
https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/

[LucioFire]

19 ore fa, select dice:

finalmene hanno lasciato solo la versione turbo... tantissimi si lamentavano della scarsa "potenza" della versione 1.4 aspirata da 100cv

 

specie chi vive in zone collinari

mmm...scarsa potenza...

a occhio e croce si brucia un bel po' di parco circolante auto ammerigano

[Ospite]

1 ora fa, LucioFire dice:

mmm...scarsa potenza...

a occhio e croce si brucia un bel po' di parco circolante auto ammerigano

Sei mai stato negli USA? Tra il Montana, il Colorado, il Nevada e la California ci sono strade con pendenze che mettono in crisi dei V8, figuriamoci un francobollo asfittico del 1.4 aspirato Fiat.

[leon82]

1 ora fa, mmaaxx dice:

Sei mai stato negli USA? Tra il Montana, il Colorado, il Nevada e la California ci sono strade con pendenze che mettono in crisi dei V8, figuriamoci un francobollo asfittico del 1.4 aspirato Fiat.

Oltretutto, se non ricordo male, anche il 1,4 multiair turbo perde molta verve con le modifiche americane...

[danicube]

21 ore fa, Gianlu96 dice:

 

300hp and over gasoline for driving between 65 and 75mph is a NO-SENSE, when a good and economical 150-200hp gasoline/diesel is enough in the most of cases.

Especially, when a lot of people choose automatic transmission. Furthermore, in America, distances are too high and it's the best potential market for diesel. Cleandiesel, obviously, not VW diesel!

 

Non mi sembri molto in linea col mercato Usa.

 

L'associazione diesel-lunghe distanze poi, non ha senso, non in relazione ai loro mezzi. 

 

Per macinare km è molto meglio un V8 di 5/6/7 litri con 250cv e la benza a 0,60€ di un 1.6 btdi da 160cv e il gasolio a 1,40€.