Scelte strategiche gruppo Stellantis NV

[nucarote]

17 minuti fa, aboutdas scrive:

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Che portino RAM in EU a sostituire Fiat Professional e leviamo quell'aria comune/plebea al marchio Fiat.

 

Non ne vedo il senso di sostituire Fiat Professional con RAM, che è di fatto praticamente sconosciuto in EU. 

Poi nessuno considera "plebea" la Mercedes perchè vende anche i veicoli commerciali, tra cui un Renault rimarchiato.

 

Una Fiat simil Mini IMHO sia una strada intrigante e che ritengo migliore, non è detto che porti grandi successi, vedi il non troppo esagerato successo della 500X. 

  

[iDrive]

Il marchio FIAT e un marchio che può fare tutto. Ed il fatto che vende Panda base da 8k€ ma anche super 5oo fino a 60k€, lo dimostra. Ed anche Tipo vende bene.

[xtom]

Bisogna vedere cosa ne pensa Tavares del brand Fiat, a JE non interessa il prodotto, quindi penso interessi ancor meno il marchio.

 

500 sta sempre più diventando un brand a parte, vedi logo frontale, Fiat può rimanere per la gamma razionale, che sia professional o meno.

 

VAG arriva a fare fino a 5 modelli dello stesso segmento con i suoi vari brand, Stellantis potrebbe potenzialmente arrivare a 7 o 8, non sono un po’ troppi?

[Stephanus]

Avevo letto che a gennaio FCA aveva comprato una piattaforma elettrico + batterie già pronta e fatta dalla Foxconn. Non so poi cosa se ne siano fatti, ma temo che il futuro sarà questo un pò per tutti.

[4200blu]

Questa??

Foxconn Unveils EV Platform; FCA To Build EVs In Canada

It used to be that new car companies were as rare as left handed lug nuts. There was Hyundai, then Yugo, then Daewoo. Two out of three of them failed almost immediately. But that was in the age of internal combustion engines. In the electric car era, new car companies are springing up faster than crabgrass. BYD, NIO, Xpeng, Faraday Future, Lucid, Tesla, Kandi, Fisker, Rivian — the list is long and growing.

The reason has a lot to do with the lack of complexity associated with electric power trains. A battery, a management system, and an electric motor or two and you’re in business. But developing a new car can take years and cost millions of dollars. Some companies see a business opportunity in developing an electric car chassis — often called a skateboard — and selling it to other companies that don’t have the skill or the resources to develop one of their own

 

That apparently is what Foxconn, the Taiwanese company that has specialized in making iPhones for Apple, is planning to do. At the unveiling in Taipei last week, Foxconn Chairman Liu Young-way said he is  targeting a 10 percent share of the global EV market as soon as 2025. The chassis is described as “open-source,” with customizable elements including size, wheelbase, suspension type, and battery size.

Partner automakers could fine tune the skateboard to their needs, and Foxconn would assemble it for them, Liu said. He indicated the company has spoken to a number of car makers about using its EV platform but declined to name the companies involved. There may be a hint in other electric car news from last week. Last January, FCA named Foxconn as a joint-venture partner to build EVs in China.

FCA says it is as committed to a multi-year $1.1 billion investment to assemble electric vehicles in Canada. It says manufacturing plug-in hybrids and battery electric cars in Windsor will add up to 2,000 new jobs. The new investment is part of tentative three year contract with Unifor, the union that represents many of the 44,000 auto workers in southern Ontario, just across the border from Detroit. FCA says its investment will lead to at least one new electric model by 2025. Could that car use the Foxconn chassis?

The news from Foxconn involved more than the new EV platform. It also said it plans to introduce a solid state battery for EVs in 2024 that would be superior to today’s lithium-ion electric-car batteries. “Superior” is a slippery term. “We’ll see,” said the Zen Master.

 

(cleantecnica.com)

[iDrive]

11 minuti fa, 4200blu scrive:

Questa??

Foxconn Unveils EV Platform; FCA To Build EVs In Canada

It used to be that new car companies were as rare as left handed lug nuts. There was Hyundai, then Yugo, then Daewoo. Two out of three of them failed almost immediately. But that was in the age of internal combustion engines. In the electric car era, new car companies are springing up faster than crabgrass. BYD, NIO, Xpeng, Faraday Future, Lucid, Tesla, Kandi, Fisker, Rivian — the list is long and growing.

The reason has a lot to do with the lack of complexity associated with electric power trains. A battery, a management system, and an electric motor or two and you’re in business. But developing a new car can take years and cost millions of dollars. Some companies see a business opportunity in developing an electric car chassis — often called a skateboard — and selling it to other companies that don’t have the skill or the resources to develop one of their own

 

That apparently is what Foxconn, the Taiwanese company that has specialized in making iPhones for Apple, is planning to do. At the unveiling in Taipei last week, Foxconn Chairman Liu Young-way said he is  targeting a 10 percent share of the global EV market as soon as 2025. The chassis is described as “open-source,” with customizable elements including size, wheelbase, suspension type, and battery size.

Partner automakers could fine tune the skateboard to their needs, and Foxconn would assemble it for them, Liu said. He indicated the company has spoken to a number of car makers about using its EV platform but declined to name the companies involved. There may be a hint in other electric car news from last week. Last January, FCA named Foxconn as a joint-venture partner to build EVs in China.

FCA says it is as committed to a multi-year $1.1 billion investment to assemble electric vehicles in Canada. It says manufacturing plug-in hybrids and battery electric cars in Windsor will add up to 2,000 new jobs. The new investment is part of tentative three year contract with Unifor, the union that represents many of the 44,000 auto workers in southern Ontario, just across the border from Detroit. FCA says its investment will lead to at least one new electric model by 2025. Could that car use the Foxconn chassis?

The news from Foxconn involved more than the new EV platform. It also said it plans to introduce a solid state battery for EVs in 2024 that would be superior to today’s lithium-ion electric-car batteries. “Superior” is a slippery term. “We’ll see,” said the Zen Master.

 

(cleantecnica.com)

Stavo per scrivere della base Foxconn MIH.

 

Sarebbe sicuramente al passo del tempo, e può fare tutto, TA, TP, TI ed e una vera base Skateboard EV!

 

 

Non male se e così.

Modificato 26 Novembre 2020 da iDrive

[aboutdas]

1 ora fa, nucarote scrive:

 

Non ne vedo il senso di sostituire Fiat Professional con RAM, che è di fatto praticamente sconosciuto in EU. 

Poi nessuno considera "plebea" la Mercedes perchè vende anche i veicoli commerciali, tra cui un Renault rimarchiato.

 

Una Fiat simil Mini secondo me sia una strada intrigante e che ritengo migliore, non è detto che porti grandi successi, vedi il non troppo esagerato successo della 500X. 

  

Dicevo solo per mantenere l'associazione "quirky" (se rimanessero solo prodotti iso-500 e Panda sarebbe un marchio "specialistico" e particolare), non per una premiumness   ma capisco cosa dici.
 

1 ora fa, iDrive scrive:

Il marchio FIAT e un marchio che può fare tutto. Ed il fatto che vende Panda base da 8k€ ma anche super 5oo fino a 60k€, lo dimostra. Ed anche Tipo vende bene.

Si allora facciamo fare tutto a brand Fiat 😂 no beh, con oltre dieci marchi ci sta specializzarli un po'.

[iDrive]

12 minuti fa, aboutdas scrive:

Si allora facciamo fare tutto a brand Fiat 😂 no beh, con oltre dieci marchi ci sta specializzarli un po'.

Visti i soldi che riesce a fare PSA nei seg.B/C, credo che FIAT, oltre alle 5oo che devono rimanere FIAT, può fare tutto dal seg.A al D (in tutto il mondo). Molto meglio che Citroen secondo me, per fare un esempio...

[sonicwp7]

https://www.motor1.com/news/456437/stellantis-technically-buying-fca/

[carlo1967]

50 minuti fa, iDrive scrive:

Visti i soldi che riesce a fare PSA nei seg.B/C, credo che FIAT, oltre alle 5oo che devono rimanere FIAT, può fare tutto dal seg.A al D (in tutto il mondo). Molto meglio che Citroen secondo me, per fare un esempio...

Ma cosa propone fca nel segmento b?

Se non dico fesserie mi sembra nulla, tranne Y che comunque è più A che B.