Scelte strategiche gruppo Stellantis NV

[Marco1975]

6 ore fa, iDrive scrive:

E già vero se si guarda a Tesla, che fa buoni margini con prodotti neanche così cari (anche molto meno cari) per il loro segmento e rispetto ai competitors.

ma i profitti non venivano da FCA che li pagava per evitare tasse CO2 ?

[iDrive]

11 minuti fa, Marco1975 scrive:

ma i profitti non venivano da FCA che li pagava per evitare tasse CO2 ?

Adesso, arrivano anche senza questo, e aumenteranno anche in futuro.

[Marco1975]

Secondo me finché c’è concorrenza sul segmento A con proposte Ice a basso costo tipo Hyundai I10 ma anche B come la Sandero , lasciare sguarnito questo fronte per Stellantis in italia è un autogol clamoroso. Fossimo al 2027 vabbè ma siamo nel 2021 porca miseria …

[nucarote]

2 minuti fa, Marco1975 scrive:

Secondo me finché c’è concorrenza sul segmento A con proposte Ice a basso costo tipo Hyundai I10 ma anche B come la Sandero , lasciare sguarnito questo fronte per Stellantis in italia è un autogol clamoroso. Fossimo al 2027 vabbè ma siamo nel 2021 porca miseria …

FCA doveva fallire già nel 2018 quando ha tolto di produzione la Punto eppure ciò non è successo. Non penso che succederà nemmeno per un eventuale cancellazione oppure innalzamento della Panda. 

[Marco1975]

Di certo non fallisce, ma intanto perderà ancora quote di mercato e numeri di produzione. Poi ho capito che finché USA e Francia e Brasile terranno, in stellantis se ne fregano di perdere quote di mercato in Italia.

[nucarote]

Le quote le perderanno tutti i generalisti a prescindere, e saranno uccelli per diabetici se non si adattano quelli che campano con le auto un "tot al kg" tipo Renault. 

[iDrive]

2 ore fa, Marco1975 scrive:

Secondo me finché c’è concorrenza sul segmento A con proposte Ice a basso costo tipo Hyundai I10 ma anche B come la Sandero , lasciare sguarnito questo fronte per Stellantis in italia è un autogol clamoroso. Fossimo al 2027 vabbè ma siamo nel 2021 porca miseria …

La Panda e ancora viva a Pomigliano... e le 5oo e Ypsilon ICE MHEV odierne, sicuramente resteranno in produzione fino al 2023, e in conce fino al 2024.

 

La 5oo, adesso sappiamo che sara solo BEV dal 2024, se non prima, la Ypsilon, sappiamo che il nuovo modello su base eCMP Gen2 sara sia ICE (MHEV) che BEV, resta la Panda che passera sicuramente all'eCMP Gen2, perche non si puo aspettare il pianale Small del 2026, da vedere se solo BEV (120) o anche MHEV, o se si puo fare reggere l'attuale MHEV fino al 2025/2026, malgrado le nuove norme 2024.

 

Speriamo solo che riescano ad adattare i Firefly sull'eCMP Gen2, almeno per i marchi Italiani.

Modificato 13 Ottobre 2021 da iDrive

[Bare]

October 11, 2021 03:32 PM
Stellantis will turn Turin factory into hub for EVs, Maserati cars
Mirafiori plant will be center for electrification

 

 

MILAN -- Stellantis plans to retool its factory in Turin, Italy, into an electric-vehicle hub, transferring production of two Maserati models to the Mirafiori plant.

 

The move is intended to increase efficiency and safeguard jobs as the automaker shifts to selling more electric vehicles.

 

Stellantis will assign Mirafiori a new electrified platform to build Maserati sedans between 2022 and 2024, making the factory, where the automaker already produces the Fiat New 500 battery-electric minicar, the group's center for electrification in Italy.

 

The Mirafiori factory is the historic center of Fiat, employing some 50,000 workers in its heyday in the 1970s when it used to produce more than 600,000 cars a year.

The plant currently builds the Maserati Levante SUV as well as the Fiat New 500.

 

Italian newspaper La Repubblica on Saturday reported that Stellantis could increase production of the combustion-engine Fiat 500 at Mirafiori by moving some volumes there from Tychy, Poland.

 

At Mirafiori, Stellantis will have one manufacturing process to make combustion engines, hybrids, and electric powertrains.

 

Maserati EV platform

 

Stellantis, which was formed from the merger of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and PSA Group earlier this year, will build the Maserati Ghibli and Quattroporte sedans at Mirafiori, shifting from the nearby site of Grugliasco.

 

One of the first actions will be to create a new electrified platform specific for Maserati, Stellantis said.

 

"Stellantis is working with determination and alacrity to anticipate and prepare for the energy transition of all its Italian industrial sites," the company said in a statement Monday.

 

The goal is to improve performance at the plants "to give this country a strategic role among the group’s main domestic European markets," Stellantis said.

 

Future production of the New 500 is also confirmed in Turin, the automaker said, after presenting its plan in Rome to the industry and labor ministers and unions.

 

No job losses

 

All 1,100 workers and functions in Grugliasco will move to Mirafiori by 2024 with no overall impact on jobs in the area, Stellantis said without giving details about what happens to the Grugliasco site after that date. Assembly operations will move immediately.

 

Grugliasco is 4 km (2.5 miles) from Mirafiori. Its workers have often moved between the two sites based on production needs.

 

The decision marks the end of full car manufacturing at the Grugliasco plant less than a decade after it started production of Maserati cars.

 

Stellantis said it will allocate more electrification-related activities to Mirafiori.

 

Italy overhaul

 

Stellantis' production in Italy has been under scrutiny for costing more than elsewhere in Europe.

 

Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares told Italian unions in February that production costs at Fiat's factories in Italy were up to four times more than at PSA's plants in France or Spain for a similar model, mainly because of lower-than-expected sales rather than high labor costs.

 

In June, the automaker decided to reorganize output at the Melfi plant in southern Italy, its largest facility in the country, on a single enhanced line that will merge two existing ones with unchanged capacity. It will build four medium-segment electric vehicles, for different brands, starting in 2024.

 

The company said in July it would build one of its three European battery factories in Italy, at the Termoli site, 300 km east of Rome. The plant currently makes internal combustion engines.

 

Italy's Industry Minister Giancarlo Giorgetti said in a statement that there was an ongoing "huge effort" to support the Termoli gigafactory initiative with public funds.

 

Italy's government has sought assurances from Stellantis that Italy will remain one of the main countries where it builds cars as the EV shift jeopardizes thousands of manufacturing jobs.

 

Stellantis last month finalized plans for Daimler to join its European battery venture.

 

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/stellantis-will-turn-turin-factory-hub-evs-maserati-cars

[4200blu]

Opel threatens developers with job relocation to Morocco

Even more bad news for Opel employees: The parent company Stellantis is apparently planning to move the development department of the traditional German brand to Morocco.

In the European car company Stellantis, the dismantling of the German subsidiary Opel is apparently continuing. According to employee information from the works council, employees of the development center in Rüsselsheim were threatened in personnel interviews that they would relocate their tasks to Morocco for cost reasons.

You should look around for a new job. The newspapers of the VRM group and the “Wirtschaftswoche” had previously reported. The company initially did not comment on the information on Wednesday.

The employee representatives feel that their rights of co-determination have been violated, especially since extensive and uncoordinated presentations on a new organizational structure were also presented in purchasing. “There are increasing indications that the next Stellantis reorganization is not only imminent, but that in some areas it is already being implemented illegally without prior information, advice and negotiation with the employee representatives,” says the information letter. Legal steps have been initiated.

Spin-off of the Opel works planned

Last week, Stellantis announced plans to separate the two production plants in Rüsselsheim and Eisenach from Opel Automobile GmbH. IG Metall has announced protests for October 29th. The threat of dismantling only serves the goal of weakening successful participation in Germany, said Opel works council chief Uwe Baum last Friday.

The former General Motors subsidiary Opel was taken over by Peugeot parent PSA in 2017. This in turn merged this year with Fiat-Chrysler to form the Stellantis Group based in Amsterdam.

The company is the fourth largest automaker in the world and is led by former PSA boss Carlos Tavares. In the tough restructuring course for Opel, IG Metall has agreed protection against dismissal for employees until July 2025.

 

(WIrtschaftswoche / VRM press)

 

 

[iDrive]

2 ore fa, Bare scrive:

October 11, 2021 03:32 PM
Stellantis will turn Turin factory into hub for EVs, Maserati cars
Mirafiori plant will be center for electrification

 

 

MILAN -- Stellantis plans to retool its factory in Turin, Italy, into an electric-vehicle hub, transferring production of two Maserati models to the Mirafiori plant.

 

The move is intended to increase efficiency and safeguard jobs as the automaker shifts to selling more electric vehicles.

 

Stellantis will assign Mirafiori a new electrified platform to build Maserati sedans between 2022 and 2024, making the factory, where the automaker already produces the Fiat New 500 battery-electric minicar, the group's center for electrification in Italy.

 

The Mirafiori factory is the historic center of Fiat, employing some 50,000 workers in its heyday in the 1970s when it used to produce more than 600,000 cars a year.

The plant currently builds the Maserati Levante SUV as well as the Fiat New 500.

 

Italian newspaper La Repubblica on Saturday reported that Stellantis could increase production of the combustion-engine Fiat 500 at Mirafiori by moving some volumes there from Tychy, Poland.

 

At Mirafiori, Stellantis will have one manufacturing process to make combustion engines, hybrids, and electric powertrains.

 

Maserati EV platform

 

Stellantis, which was formed from the merger of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and PSA Group earlier this year, will build the Maserati Ghibli and Quattroporte sedans at Mirafiori, shifting from the nearby site of Grugliasco.

 

One of the first actions will be to create a new electrified platform specific for Maserati, Stellantis said.

 

"Stellantis is working with determination and alacrity to anticipate and prepare for the energy transition of all its Italian industrial sites," the company said in a statement Monday.

 

The goal is to improve performance at the plants "to give this country a strategic role among the group’s main domestic European markets," Stellantis said.

 

Future production of the New 500 is also confirmed in Turin, the automaker said, after presenting its plan in Rome to the industry and labor ministers and unions.

 

No job losses

 

All 1,100 workers and functions in Grugliasco will move to Mirafiori by 2024 with no overall impact on jobs in the area, Stellantis said without giving details about what happens to the Grugliasco site after that date. Assembly operations will move immediately.

 

Grugliasco is 4 km (2.5 miles) from Mirafiori. Its workers have often moved between the two sites based on production needs.

 

The decision marks the end of full car manufacturing at the Grugliasco plant less than a decade after it started production of Maserati cars.

 

Stellantis said it will allocate more electrification-related activities to Mirafiori.

 

Italy overhaul

 

Stellantis' production in Italy has been under scrutiny for costing more than elsewhere in Europe.

 

Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares told Italian unions in February that production costs at Fiat's factories in Italy were up to four times more than at PSA's plants in France or Spain for a similar model, mainly because of lower-than-expected sales rather than high labor costs.

 

In June, the automaker decided to reorganize output at the Melfi plant in southern Italy, its largest facility in the country, on a single enhanced line that will merge two existing ones with unchanged capacity. It will build four medium-segment electric vehicles, for different brands, starting in 2024.

 

The company said in July it would build one of its three European battery factories in Italy, at the Termoli site, 300 km east of Rome. The plant currently makes internal combustion engines.

 

Italy's Industry Minister Giancarlo Giorgetti said in a statement that there was an ongoing "huge effort" to support the Termoli gigafactory initiative with public funds.

 

Italy's government has sought assurances from Stellantis that Italy will remain one of the main countries where it builds cars as the EV shift jeopardizes thousands of manufacturing jobs.

 

Stellantis last month finalized plans for Daimler to join its European battery venture.

 

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/stellantis-will-turn-turin-factory-hub-evs-maserati-cars

La Repubblica parla di 5oo solo BEV a Mirafiori, che prenderà il posto della « vecchia » 5oo ICE (MHEV), non del trasloco della produzione dell’ICE a Mirafuiori. Si fa un po’ di confusione.