Il futuro dell'auto (elettrica)

[saven]

On 17/4/2016 at 22:00, J-Gian dice:

Non scherziamo, lo sanno tutti che basta questo  

 

oddio la versione plug-in dell'uroboro alfista!

allora è vero che il futuro è elettrico...

[vince-991]

2 hours ago, J-Gian said:

 

Comunque ho avuto modo di ascoltarmi l'audio del video di Paolo Attivissimo mentre ero in auto, dunque nel 2015 Tesla pare abbia perso circa 4.000 $ a vettura prodotta.

Neanche tanto. Se non sbaglio marchionne dice di perderne di piu' con la 500e

[owluca]

non sbagli però la 500 E costa 30000$  la tesla S, cui sono riferiti questi numeri ne costa 75.000.

 

inoltre non tutti la pensano così:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3641306-tesla-manages-lose-19810-per-car-sold

Tesla Manages To Lose $19,810 Per Car Sold

 

With its September 2015 quarter report, Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) broke a new record as it managed to lose more money per car sold than in any of the quarters in the last year. The loss per car was an astounding $19,810, up from $15,975 in the prior quarter.

	GAAP loss	Cars sold	Loss per car
3Q 2015	$229,858,000	11,603	$19,810
2Q 2015	$184,227,000	11,532	$15,975
1Q 2015	$154,181,000	10,045	$15,349
4Q 2014	$107,629,000	9,834	$10,945

The negative free cash flow worsened to $51,344 per car sold in the September 2015 quarter, up from $48,966 in the prior quarter.

	Negative cash flow	Cars sold	Negative cash flow per car
3Q 2015	$595,743,000	11,603	$51,344
2Q 2015	$564,681,000	11,532	$48,966
1Q 2015	$557,854,000	10,045	$55,535
4Q 2014	$455,063,000	9,834	$46,274

Modificato 19 Aprile 2016 da owluca

[pennellotref]

http://www.autonews.com/article/20160420/OEM05/160429991/ford-pays-199950-before-taxes-for-teslas-64th-model-x-suv

 

Cita

Ford pays $199,950 before taxes for Tesla's 64th Model X SUV

DETROIT/SAN FRANCISCO -- Ford Motor Co. paid $199,950 -- $55,000 more than the sticker price -- to buy one of the first SUVs made by Tesla Motors Inc., according to vehicle registration documents obtained by Bloomberg.

The white Model X is a Founders Series with a vehicle identification number indicating it was the 64th one made at Tesla’s factory in Fremont, Calif. The vehicle, with Michigan plates, has been spotted recently in the Detroit area. Registration records show that Ford purchased the vehicle March 1. The original owner, a California coin dealer, bought it as part of Tesla’s customer-referral promotion.

Automakers often buy cars made by competitors for road testing and for “tear-downs” to reveal components and materials and how they’re put together. But it’s unusual to pay such a high price -- almost $212,000 after Michigan sales tax and title -- for such an early model.

“Wow, I hope that investment pays off in some good intelligence,” Michelle Krebs, senior analyst for researcher Autotrader.com, said of the premium Ford paid. “If you’re going to be one of the early buyers, you’re probably going to pay well over list. But that’s significant.”

Krebs suspects other major automakers, such as General Motors and Toyota Motor Corp., are also among early buyers of the Model X. Automakers are looking for ways to make highly profitable SUVs more fuel efficient as they race to meet a federal mandate to average 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025. Ford is investing $4.5 billion in electrified vehicles and will add 13 electric cars and hybrids by 2020.

Future SUVs

“We’re going to definitely see more electrification and light-weighting,” Krebs said. “Those are the things I suspect Ford would be taking special note of as they develop their sport utilities of the future.” 

Krebs said she hopes CEO Mark Fields and Executive Chairman Bill Ford -- as well as the automaker’s top engineers and designers -- get some seat time in the Model X.

“Everybody should be exposed to one of your hottest competitors,” Krebs said.

Tesla’s first Model Xs are limited-edition Founders Series -- fewer than 100 of them were made -- that typically go to board members and close friends of the company like Google co-founder Sergey Brin. Those are followed by the Signature Series models, which require a $40,000 deposit from customers and start at $132,000. The window sticker price on the all-wheel-drive Model X P90D that Ford purchased is $144,950, including the $10,000 Ludicrous Speed Upgrade that boasts a 0-to-60 miles per hour time of 3.2 seconds.

Original owner 

The original owner of the Model X that was ultimately purchased by Ford was Wayne Skiles, 71, who owns and operates the Carousel Coin & Jewelry Exchange in San Bernardino, Calif. Skiles owns a Model S sedan and participated in Tesla’s Model S referral program. Customers who referred at least 10 friends to purchase a Model S were able to buy a Model X Founders Series for a base price of $116,700.

“I sold 11 Model Ss. So I got a Founders Model X and immediately flipped it for a profit,” said Skiles in a phone interview. “The car never came to California. I flew to Chicago, took physical delivery of the Model X, and immediately drove it to a dealer in Chicago and sold it.”

Ford bought the vehicle from Corporate Auto of Auburn Hills, Mich., according to the documents.

“It is a common industry practice among many automakers to buy production vehicles for testing as soon as they are released,” said Ford in a statement. “Sometimes, this means automakers pay more than sticker price to acquire them as quickly as possible.”

Quality concerns 

Tesla officially launched the Model X at a splashy event in late September, years after the vehicle’s early 2012 unveiling. The company announced that it delivered 2,400 of the SUVs in the first quarter as it continues to ramp up production. But early models are not without flaws: Several customers have reported issues with sensors on the “falcon-wing” doors that open vertically. Consumer Reports on Tuesday published a report about quality problems on early models. Tesla shares slipped 2.6 percent on Tuesday to $247.37, paring their year-to-date gain to 3.1 percent.

“We are committed to making the world’s most reliable cars,” Tesla said in a statement Tuesday. “While we have seen some issues with early Model X builds, the issues are not widespread, and we are working closely with each owner to respond quickly and proactively to address any problems. We will continue to do so until each customer is fully satisfied. This commitment is one of the reasons why 98 percent of our customers say they will buy another Tesla as their next car.”

Earlier this month, Tesla issued a recall on 2,700 Model Xs made before March 26 to repair the third-row seats after strength tests done by the automaker found a potential defect. Tesla has advised customers not to let anyone sit in those seats while the car is in use.

Musk has said that the Model X’s unique features were difficult to engineer and relied heavily on parts suppliers. Tesla said this month that Model X deliveries missed first-quarter expectations because of parts shortages stemming from “Tesla’s hubris in adding far too much new technology” to the Model X.

Che dite ? Ci sarà una corsa analoga all'acquisto della Giulia da parte della concorrenza ?  

Modificato 20 Aprile 2016 da pennellotref

[monofascia]

23 ore fa, owluca dice:

non sbagli però la 500 E costa 30000$  la tesla S, cui sono riferiti questi numeri ne costa 75.000.

 

inoltre non tutti la pensano così:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3641306-tesla-manages-lose-19810-per-car-sold

Tesla Manages To Lose $19,810 Per Car Sold

 

With its September 2015 quarter report, Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) broke a new record as it managed to lose more money per car sold than in any of the quarters in the last year. The loss per car was an astounding $19,810, up from $15,975 in the prior quarter.

	GAAP loss	Cars sold	Loss per car
3Q 2015	$229,858,000	11,603	$19,810
2Q 2015	$184,227,000	11,532	$15,975
1Q 2015	$154,181,000	10,045	$15,349
4Q 2014	$107,629,000	9,834	$10,945

The negative free cash flow worsened to $51,344 per car sold in the September 2015 quarter, up from $48,966 in the prior quarter.

	Negative cash flow	Cars sold	Negative cash flow per car
3Q 2015	$595,743,000	11,603	$51,344
2Q 2015	$564,681,000	11,532	$48,966
1Q 2015	$557,854,000	10,045	$55,535
4Q 2014	$455,063,000	9,834	$46,274

 

Non capisco che senso abbia dividere le perdite per il numero di auto, non vuol dire che vendono l'auto in perdita, a differenza della 500E.

 

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/08/10/tesla-does-not-lose-4000-each-model-s/

[TonyH]

Ha senso per valutare la sostenibilità del modello di business.

 

Gli incassi servono ANCHE per gli investimenti futuri, sennò i soldi da dove arrivano?

Mica si possono cercare in eterno finanziamenti a fondo perduto.

 

Nel frattempo in Germania pensano un filo più razionalmente e meno eco snob 

http://www.lastampa.it/2016/04/18/motori/ambiente/il-furgone-elettrico-le-poste-tedesche-se-lo-costruiscono-da-sole-6PJyTGQH9ynaA1ICPE1KvM/pagina.html

Modificato 21 Aprile 2016 da TonyH

[owluca]

9 ore fa, monofascia dice:

 

Non capisco che senso abbia dividere le perdite per il numero di auto, non vuol dire che vendono l'auto in perdita, a differenza della 500E.

 

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/08/10/tesla-does-not-lose-4000-each-model-s/

 

per come l'ho capita  distinguono fra le perdite direttamente colegate alla vendita del singolo prodotto

e le spese  generali (che sicuramente includono gli investimenti oltre che le perdite)  e che sono 2,5 volte le perdite secche.

 

il tutto rapportato al volume del business, perchè di norma aumentando il volume si riesce a fare conomica di scala.

[mariola]

4 ore fa, TonyH dice:

Nel frattempo in Germania pensano un filo più razionalmente e meno eco snob 

http://www.lastampa.it/2016/04/18/motori/ambiente/il-furgone-elettrico-le-poste-tedesche-se-lo-costruiscono-da-sole-6PJyTGQH9ynaA1ICPE1KvM/pagina.html

Si ma con 100 km di autonomia è relativamente facile costruirne uno, specie se è un mezzo da lavoro con pochi vincoli estetici, la bravura sta nella massima razionalizzazione.

Va benissimo che tutti questi mezzi siano elettrici, ma la sfida di Tesla è su un altro livello, deve battere le auto anche in termini di estetica, autonomia, prestazioni

[justjames]

14 ore fa, monofascia dice:

 

Non capisco che senso abbia dividere le perdite per il numero di auto, non vuol dire che vendono l'auto in perdita, a differenza della 500E.

 

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/08/10/tesla-does-not-lose-4000-each-model-s/

Come tutti gli altri costruttori. Quindi?

[TonyH]

26 minuti fa, mariola dice:

Si ma con 100 km di autonomia è relativamente facile costruirne uno, specie se è un mezzo da lavoro con pochi vincoli estetici, la bravura sta nella massima razionalizzazione.

Va benissimo che tutti questi mezzi siano elettrici, ma la sfida di Tesla è su un altro livello, deve battere le auto anche in termini di estetica, autonomia, prestazioni

 

Tesla (e chi la spinge) la vogliono imporre al profilo MENO adatto (il privato).

 

La proposta di Deutche Post dimostra che già OGGI esistono profili di utilizzo che si prestano senza particolari problemi all'elettrificazione...

...senza dover mettere enormi e continui finanziamenti..

...senza dover far stravolgere le infrastrutture private (a carico del singolo)...

...senza dover imporre di nuovo abitudini ottocentesche del cambio cavalli  ...

 

Oltretutto per mezzi che DEVONO girare in città necessariamente (a differenza dell'automobile del singolo) per svolgere la funzione.

 

Si tratta semplicemente di un approccio razionale e non idealistico..