On 13/12/2018 at 21:37, Cosimo scrive:

questa cosa è  abbastanza indecente. Con quella cabina ci alimenti un ospedale nemmeno piccolo, invece si gioca a caricare i macchinoni elettrici in un quarto d’ora. 

Credevo che l’auto elettrica fosse nata per essere ecologicamente più compatibile di una tradizionale 

Io mi immagino in estate in un autogrill dell' a1 in zona emilia romagna.

Ne devi istallare almeno 50, e sto basso.

sono 22500 kw.

Decreto dell governo EU ieri per i limiti di emissioni CO2 fino 2030 - il taget di 95g di 2021 deve calare fino 2030 a 59g = -37,5%

Si puo raggiungere solo con una quota alta di auto elettriche.

 

https://europe.autonews.com/environmentemissions/european-auto-industry-faces-tough-co2-emissions-reduction-target-2030

European auto industry faces tough CO2 emissions reduction target for 2030

BRUSSELS -- Auto industry groups warned that a European Union goal to cut CO2 emissions from cars by 37.5 percent and from vans by 31 percent by 2030 compared to 2021 levels would threaten automotive jobs and consumer choice.

Representatives of EU governments and the European Parliament agreed to the reduction on Monday, finally settling differences between vehicle-producing countries and environmentally-conscious lawmakers.

The compromise was tougher than the original EU executive proposal of an emissions decline of 30 percent compared to 2021.
EU negotiators also fixed an interim CO2-cut target for cars and vans of 15 percent by 2025.

The 28-nation bloc has been divided for months over how strict to be on CO2 emissions from vehicles as part of its push to reduce greenhouse gases.
Germany, with the EU's biggest auto sector worth some 423 billion euros ($480 billion) in 2017, had warned that tough targets and the drive towards more electric cars could harm its industry and cost jobs.

Germany's VDA auto industry association said the new legislation would set high demands while doing little to promote or provide incentives for switching to electric vehicles

The negotiated deal "demands too much," said VDA head Bernhard Mattes. "Nobody knows today how the agreed limits can be achieved in the given time," he said.

ACEA, the European auto industry's lobby group, expressed "serious concerns" about the 2030 target because delivering a 37.5 percent CO2 reduction "might sound plausible but is totally unrealistic based on where we stand."

The compromise was tougher than the original EU executive proposal of an emissions decline of 30 percent compared to 2021. Germany had endorsed that, but a push by several EU countries, including the Netherlands and France, raised the target to 35 percent. The EU Parliament had wanted 40 percent, so in the end, they split the difference.

The EU's current average caps on CO2 from cars are 130 grams per km set for 2015 and 95g/km fixed for 2021.

Brussels-based green lobbying group Transport & Environment expressed disappointment the deal was not even more ambitious.

"Europe is shifting up a gear in the race to produce zero emission cars. The new law means by 2030 around a third of new cars will be electric or hydrogen-powered," its clean vehicles director Greg Archer said. "That's progress, but it's not fast enough to hit our climate goals."

The agreement still needs the approval of member-country governments and the full EU Parliament -- steps that are usually formalities.

"This is an important signal in our fight against climate change," Environment Minister Elisabeth Koestinger of Austria, current holder of the EU’s rotating presidency, said in a statement after a nine-and-a-half-hour meeting that marked the third attempt in as many weeks to achieve a breakthrough. "We had tough and intense negotiations."

About 15 million autos are sold each year in the EU, with cars accounting for more than a tenth of the bloc’s releases of CO2, the main greenhouse gas blamed for rising global temperatures. Electric vehicles in Europe have a market share of around 1.5 percent.

14 minuti fa, 4200blu scrive:

Decreto dell governo EU ieri per i limiti di emissioni CO2 fino 2030 - il taget di 95g di 2021 deve calare fino 2030 a 59g = -37,5%

Si puo raggiungere solo con una quota alta di auto elettriche.

 

https://europe.autonews.com/environmentemissions/european-auto-industry-faces-tough-co2-emissions-reduction-target-2030

European auto industry faces tough CO2 emissions reduction target for 2030

BRUSSELS -- Auto industry groups warned that a European Union goal to cut CO2 emissions from cars by 37.5 percent and from vans by 31 percent by 2030 compared to 2021 levels would threaten automotive jobs and consumer choice.

Representatives of EU governments and the European Parliament agreed to the reduction on Monday, finally settling differences between vehicle-producing countries and environmentally-conscious lawmakers.

The compromise was tougher than the original EU executive proposal of an emissions decline of 30 percent compared to 2021.
EU negotiators also fixed an interim CO2-cut target for cars and vans of 15 percent by 2025.

The 28-nation bloc has been divided for months over how strict to be on CO2 emissions from vehicles as part of its push to reduce greenhouse gases.
Germany, with the EU's biggest auto sector worth some 423 billion euros ($480 billion) in 2017, had warned that tough targets and the drive towards more electric cars could harm its industry and cost jobs.

Germany's VDA auto industry association said the new legislation would set high demands while doing little to promote or provide incentives for switching to electric vehicles

The negotiated deal "demands too much," said VDA head Bernhard Mattes. "Nobody knows today how the agreed limits can be achieved in the given time," he said.

ACEA, the European auto industry's lobby group, expressed "serious concerns" about the 2030 target because delivering a 37.5 percent CO2 reduction "might sound plausible but is totally unrealistic based on where we stand."

The compromise was tougher than the original EU executive proposal of an emissions decline of 30 percent compared to 2021. Germany had endorsed that, but a push by several EU countries, including the Netherlands and France, raised the target to 35 percent. The EU Parliament had wanted 40 percent, so in the end, they split the difference.

The EU's current average caps on CO2 from cars are 130 grams per km set for 2015 and 95g/km fixed for 2021.

Brussels-based green lobbying group Transport & Environment expressed disappointment the deal was not even more ambitious.

"Europe is shifting up a gear in the race to produce zero emission cars. The new law means by 2030 around a third of new cars will be electric or hydrogen-powered," its clean vehicles director Greg Archer said. "That's progress, but it's not fast enough to hit our climate goals."

The agreement still needs the approval of member-country governments and the full EU Parliament -- steps that are usually formalities.

"This is an important signal in our fight against climate change," Environment Minister Elisabeth Koestinger of Austria, current holder of the EU’s rotating presidency, said in a statement after a nine-and-a-half-hour meeting that marked the third attempt in as many weeks to achieve a breakthrough. "We had tough and intense negotiations."

About 15 million autos are sold each year in the EU, with cars accounting for more than a tenth of the bloc’s releases of CO2, the main greenhouse gas blamed for rising global temperatures. Electric vehicles in Europe have a market share of around 1.5 percent.

Uroboro aiutaci tu  

Come hasso pensano di far la corrente per tutte queste auto elettriche? O per creare l'idrogeno per le fuel cell? Dal progetto ITER??

11 minuti fa, Sandro scrive:

Uroboro aiutaci tu  

Come hasso pensano di far la corrente per tutte queste auto elettriche? O per creare l'idrogeno per le fuel cell? Dal progetto ITER??

Hai mai trovato un politico che fa pensieri cosi dettagliati ?? ?

in effetti senza la fusione nucleare tutta questa elettrificazione automobiistica fatta a botte di carbone e nafta/gas e' inutile

ma la fusione e' prevista per la fine del secolo sempre che sia realizzabile

a questo punto e' evidente che prevarranno gli interessi di parte, non si elettrifichera' per buonismo ambientale ma per l'azione di lobbying di persone e aziende coinvolte nella realizzazione dell'elettrico

saranno come sempre i poteri forti a decidere

10 minuti fa, tonyx scrive:

qualcuno ha detto monopoli delle colonnine di ricarica proprietarie?

 

 

infatti il business sono i monopoli sulle colonnine, le macchine diventano secondarie

Qualche volta il future sembra difficile da capire ?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/j52odgkRxDs?feature=oembed

Nuova studio/ricerca del istituto "Center of Automotive Managment" di Prof. Bratzel per gli innovazioni automobili / automobili eletrichi con il risultato che tanti nuovi gioccatori di Asia recuperano molto forte il vantaggio delle dite tradizionali ma anche della Tesla.

Lo studio intero si puo leggere solo a pagamento, nell riassunto per la stampa ci sono questi due grafiche:

 

 

verrebbe da dire che se l'Europa in quanto continente non si dà presto una mossa diventeremo una colonia, ma d'altra parte se la Cina ha il ruolo che ha attualmente è grazie a un certo tipo di regime, che non è certo tenero con diritti sociali e civili, e che gestisce un paese enorme come fosse un progetto ingegneristico. Un bel problema.

Intanto Attivissimo ha rinunciato alla sua Model 3