Fiat -> FCA -> Stellantis - Filosofia su una holding multinazionale

[v13]

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[tenore]

2 ore fa, gilerak scrive:

Ma la 500 attuale (ICE) è prodotta in Polonia fin dalla sua nascita (2007, se non erro), quindi?

 

e quindi un po di populismo per le masse non e una novita

[fabivio]

10 ore fa, espresso scrive:

Continuo e chiudo facendo l'esempio di ció che avviene per FERRARI, dove effettivamente EXOR e Piero hanno il totale controllo:

EXOR ha il 24.44% di AZIONI eil 36% di voti. Per il controllo peró  ha fatto un patto con Piero Ferrari, cosí arrivano a oltre il 50% dei voti e la societá é blindata.

Insomma anche con il 25% EXOR non ha il controllo da sola..

 

Cosa che EXOR non fa, non fará e non potrá mai fare con STELLANTIS perché ha quasi la metá di azioni (14%) e ha lo STATO FRANCESE come azionista.

 

Qui chiudo i dettagli di finanza sulla proprietá.

 

Ripeto comunque che per me conta principamente dove l'azienda ha i Manager, R&D e produzione.

 

 

 

FERRARI

 

The share capital of Ferrari amounted to €2,573 thousand, consisting of 193,923,499 common shares and 63,349,112 special voting shares, all with nominal value of €0.01 per share, as at December 31, 2022. At the same date, Ferrari held 11,970,001 common shares and 5,199 special voting shares in treasury.

 

 

 

Shareholder(1) - As of February 13, 2023	% of outstanding common shares
Exor N.V.(2)(6)	24.44%
Trust Piero Ferrari(2)(6)	10.39%
BlackRock, Inc.(3)	5.69%
T. Rowe Price Associates, Inc.(4)	4.48%
Other public shareholders	55.00%
Total outstanding common shares	100.0%   VOTING RIGHTS Shareholder(5) - As of February 13, 2023 % of outstanding special voting shares % of voting rights Exor N.V.(2)(6) 70.15% 36.25% Trust Piero Ferrari(2)(6) 29.83% 15.42% Public shareholders 0.02% 48.33% Total outstanding special voting shares     100.0%       100.0%

 

ma infatti... lo schema finale è esattamente quello di Ferrari..... solo con i Peugeot...... ammesso che questi vogliano immobilizzare il loro investimento in una azianda che non controllano ......

 

al contrario lo stato francese vuole uscire..... e lo farà... solo che il patto parasociale gli impedisce di farlo per 7 anni..... salvo alcune eccezioni.... con la possibilità di scendere dell'2,5% prima di tale data..... e questo da solo la dice tutta.....

 

guarda.... non capisco perchè ti prodighi tanto a voler sostenere una tesi senza fondamento....

 

 

 

4 ore fa, sonicwp7 scrive:

tratto dall'intervista di Luca C. di Montezemolo a Gremellini - estratto de il fatto quotidiano - ".... Quanta grinta e quanto patriottismo si nascondono dietro al ciuffo brizzolato di Luca Cordero di Montezemolo. L’ex presidente della Fiat (e di Ferrari, Confindustria, Fieg...) è stato ospite di ‘’In altre parole’’, la trasmissione di Massimo Gramellini su La7. Un’intervista tutt ’altro che banale: Montezemolo aveva voglia di sporcarsi i guanti... 

L’ex golden boy dei poteri forti italiani ha un bersaglio chiaro: la famiglia Elkann-Agnelli. Il primo passaggio impietoso è su Stellantis: “Oggi noi non abbiamo più un’azienda automobilistica in Italia – ha detto Cordero –. Non conta la proprietà, il fatto che sia stata venduta o non venduta; la verità è che tutte le decisioni che riguardano il mercato italiano sono prese a Parigi. Siamo arrivati a una cosa tra l’assurdo e l’umiliante, cioè che una macchina come la 600, un’icona dell’Italia al pari della 500, venga prodotta in Polonia”.

 

Sollecitato da Gramellini, sottolinea che “con Marchionne probabilmente non sarebbe successo”. E insiste: “Vedere la 600 prodotta in Polonia, quando tutti gli stabilimenti ex Fiat sono in cassa integrazione, non mi fa bene”... "

 

 

purtroppo lucaluca si sta comportando da buffone

3 ore fa, The Krieg scrive:

POV: sotto la sua presidenza ha prodotto la 500 (!!!) in Polonia, e pure la Panda.

 

... ma infatti..... è proprio ridicolo...... 

 

vorrei vedere se fossi io ad intervistarlo......

 

ma via,,,,,

[The Krieg]

26 minuti fa, machefredfa scrive:

Infatti non è prevista una nuova generazione di 508

Un vero peccato perchè questa generazione è davvero splendida e curata, l'hanno ammazzata i soliti problemi di psa/stellantis: mancanza di motori seri per questi segmenti e politiche anti aziendali con rate astronomiche.

Modificato 31 Gennaio da The Krieg

[Marco1975]

Confermo… fino a 100 euro in più al mese rispetto alla A4 Audi + o - equivalente … follia. 

[gilerak]

Ma il discorso rata non dipendeva anche dalla tenuta del valore sull'usato?

Ovvero se un auto si deprezza di più avrà rate più alte e viceversa?

[Marco1975]

Sì giusto e’ un fattore chiave 

[Attilio_]

Forse il contesto delle dichiarazioni è lo stesso, ma Bloomberg si sofferma sulle affermazioni che farebbero pensare a nuove fusioni o ad acquisizioni da parte di Stellantis

 

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/stellantis-ceo-sees-the-rise-of-chinese-carmakers-fueling-m-a-1.2029338

 

Cita

Stellantis CEO Sees the Rise of Chinese Carmakers Fueling M&A

(Bloomberg) -- One of the auto industry’s leading dealmakers sees the stars aligning for carmaker mergers and acquisitions — and wants in on the action.

Stellantis NV’s Carlos Tavares views the ascendance of Chinese manufacturers, the European Union’s efforts to phase out combustion engines, and the United Auto Workers union’s costly new contracts as among the factors fueling greater potential for M&A.

In an exclusive interview Wednesday with Bloomberg News, the 65-year-old chief executive officer said antitrust authorities will have to take these circumstances into account when deciding whether to green-light another major deal like the 2021 merger of PSA Group and Fiat Chrysler.

Here are highlights from the conversation that have been edited and condensed for clarity and length.

Are you gearing up for M&A?

The other day, we were working on preparing the way we are going to present the results of the first leg of the Dare Forward 2030 plan. When we were preparing this, I asked the team, is there anything that has changed over the last three years compared to the moment where we built the plan?

The answer from the team was the magnitude of the Chinese offensive, which I think is true. The magnitude of the Chinese offensive, the competitiveness that they can demonstrate and the massive arrival of all of their best carmakers is a significant change.

What does this mean for you?

It means that when these contenders come to our markets with the ability to sell the EVs at the same price as internal combustion engine vehicles, and at the same time the western governments are imposing 100% battery-electric vehicle sales, it is quite obvious that the guys who cannot make cost-competitive BEVs are going to be in an existential problem.

The companies that did not prepare themselves for this impact are going to be, from my perspective, in trouble. Which means that we need to be fit and we need to be ready. If those opportunities were to materialize, then we want to be part of that consolidation. The guys who have not been doing their homework in cost reduction are the guys that are going to put themselves in trouble.

So you see a wave of consolidation coming in the automotive industry?

Consolidation will come, and it’ll put the western world in a difficult situation to decide what to do with antitrust. The current antitrust rules are counterproductive to face the Chinese offensive. At one point in time, if you have to fund a very expensive technology and you don’t have scale, you are going to put yourself in trouble.

Fortunately, thanks to the European Union, which I would like to thank here, we could create Stellantis and it is absolutely fair to say that we were supported by the European Union. Had we not done that, we would’ve been in deep trouble. FCA would be in trouble, and PSA would be in trouble. So that was the right move at the right timing.

Do you see Renault as vulnerable?

The lack of scale is always a problem. It is also a question of strategy.

I respect the courage of Renault to do something which is very different. And that’s one of the reasons why I am looking at what they are doing, because it’s refreshing and because I can learn from any of the good things they would be doing. It could be for me an inspiration for things we could do ourselves.

What they are doing in France is good, and I’m trying to face a very harsh competitor. It’s normal that I fight against a competitor. That’s what the European Union wants — harsh competition to the best benefit of the consumer. It’s normal that we are looking at a very efficient competitor in France and that we try to beef up our own activities to be able to face them.

It is quite clear that I think that this transformation will lead to a certain number of problems. More and more, you see Chinese partners or suppliers in the constellation of Renault.

We’ll see how this is going to unfold, including in the eyes of the French government. I have no specific interest in this company more than any other; I’m just observing that they have a different strategy. But I have all always showed respect, vis-à-vis the company.

I was surprised by their Old Co.-New Co. strategy. And as you know, my thinking is exactly the opposite. We need one single team putting the company in one single direction with the full scale and the full power. Because what is going to fund the electrification is the profitability of ICEs. So if you cut what is profitable, and you isolate what is not profitable, how can you fund what is not profitable in the world where the interest rates are high?

What about General Motors and Ford?

I don’t know; it depends on what the situation will be. There is one thing that I believe is a precondition for everything, is that it represents a win-win. And it’s done in a friendly manner, which means a convergent manner.

If the automotive industry doesn’t move, this industry will disappear under the offensive of the Chinese industry.

I’m just trying to figure out first how I make my company successful. And secondly, if that is the case, what are the opportunities that will appear? If I don’t have financial soundness, then it’s not possible. The second one is, to make sure that whatever we do, if we were to do something, we do it in an amicable way. For me, that’s fundamental. We are not going to make hostile things.

Why? Because it is already difficult. When you make friendly things, as we did with Stellantis, it’s already difficult to face the criticism of all the naysayers.

So if two companies were to come together, they need to be sincerely convinced that the synergies that would come out of that process would create value for all the stakeholders.

What does Jeep need to do to turn its fortunes around?

We have two excellent top executives that are leading the two engines of the North American business. Most of it is about Ram and Jeep, with Tim Kuniskis and Antonio Filosa.

We have now a new regional COO with a very demanding executive that did an excellent job in Mexico.

So with Carlos Zarlenga, Antonio Filosa and Tim Kuniskis, we have three excellent executives who are going to work together to pull North America back to a better position.

We need to deal with the consequences of the UAW strike. That has a huge impact on the profitability of the US.

We need to continue to work the quality and the cost, but I think they just need a more dynamic management to be in a much better position.

For the product plan and pipeline, they have everything they need. The Jeep Recon, the Jeep Wagoneer — all of these are fantastic products that will certainly give a boost of confidence to the Jeep teams.

 

 

Modificato 1 Febbraio da AleMcGir

[johnpollame]

On 30/1/2024 at 18:04, v13 scrive:

Ho letto bene? Briatore? Il produttore del nulla? 😂

Ma lo vende benissimo...

[v13]

3 minutes ago, johnpollame said:

Ma lo vende benissimo...

 

Per chi è disposto a comprarlo, sì