4200blu

forse anche meno, ma con la 220d invece Ti manca la possibilita di fare distanze corte al ufficio, al supermercato, sopratutto intorno la citta, in modo full electric cosa la 300de permette perfettamente.

con una E300de anche autostrada a velocita tedesca (quindi spesso sopra 130) fai tranquillamente con 5l/100km, non credo che esiste neanche un motore a benzina con la stessa abilita.

Opportunità storica: con una generazione z qui in germania, sazia, dipendente e con un desiderio limitato di lavoro e prestazioni, c'è l'opportunità per altri stati dell'ue di assumere il ruolo di locomotiva del futuro.

..... = diesel per i viaggi lunghi su autostrada.

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VW and China partner SAIC set to close car plant as sales shrink VW Group's four-decade old venture with SAIC is preparing to close a factory in Nanjing that builds VW Passat and Skoda cars. Capacity utilization at SAIC-VW was about 58 percent of a 2.1 million-car ceiling in 2023. Volkswagen Group and its oldest Chinese partner plan to shutter one plant in China and possibly more in response to slowing demand for combustion-engine cars, in a further pullback after the venture’s first factory ceased output. The company's four-decade old venture with SAIC Motor Corp. is preparing to close a factory in Nanjing as soon as next year, according to people familiar with the matter. The site, which makes VW Passat and Skoda cars, has an annual capacity of as many as 360,000 vehicles. At its Shanghai base, SAIC Volkswagen Automobile Co. two years ago stopped production at one factory open since the mid-1980s. A second plant has reduced output and could also be shut down or overhauled, said the people, who asked not to be named before final decisions are made. And the partners are conducting a strategy review of VW’s mass-market Skoda brand after a steep dropoff in sales, the company confirmed, underscoring the magnitude of the difficulties it faces in China. A facility in Ningbo, in Zhejiang province, that makes several Skoda models has been idled for months at a time and also is being considered for closure, the people said. “All SAIC Volkswagen factories are operating normally according to the market requirements and our forecast,” VW China said in an emailed response to questions from Bloomberg News. As their focus shifts toward smart electric vehicles, “we are also transforming vehicle production and the components plants step by step.” The unprecedented retreat in VW’s biggest market is being driven by a consumer slump and a rapid shift toward electric vehicles that’s left the automaker with too much conventional capacity. Production at VW’s 39 Chinese plants last year remained more than a quarter below a pre-pandemic peak. Its share of operating earnings from its Chinese ventures fell 20% in 2023 to €2.62 billion ($2.92 billion), and is down by about half from a high-water mark in 2015. VW is reassessing its Chinese footprint as it also weighs plant closures at home, highlighting the complex challenges the company must navigate to stay ahead of a perilous and uneven global transition away from fossil-fuel vehicles. While VW and other manufacturers were caught off-guard by stagnating EV demand in Europe this year, electrification is rapidly moving ahead in China. There, local rivals like BYD Co. have seized the upper hand with innovative and affordable models, while combustion-engine sales are in decline. Across China, sales of battery-electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids rose 43% in August to 1.03 million units from a year earlier, according to the country’s passenger car association. Sales of such vehicles surpassed 6 million for the first eight months of the year. Volkswagen has spent four decades building its carmaking capacity in China, starting with the venture formed with state-owned SAIC in 1985. Several other partnerships have followed: By the end of 2023, VW had more than 90,000 employees at its Chinese unit, but the company now finds itself out of position. At SAIC-VW alone, factory utilization last year stood at about 58 percent of a 2.1 million-car ceiling, according to SAIC’s annual report. Scaling back would save costs for its co-owners as they seek to strengthen their hand in EVs. Repurposed plant One change has already occurred. In 2022, SAIC-VW stopped making cars at its No. 1 Auto Plant at its hub in the the Anting manufacturing zone of Shanghai, the company confirmed. Production has been transferred to a plant in Yizheng, in Jiangsu province, while Anting No. 1 is now being used for research and development. “There is no complete closure of the No. 1 Auto Plant,” VW China said in an email. “It is now being used primarily for R&D purposes as part of the company’s transformation.” The No. 1 plant dates to the start of the SAIC-VW partnership, when the Santana model it churned out by the hundreds of thousands became a symbol of access into China’s rising middle class. The facility was making the VW Polo compact, along with Skoda’s Octavia and Fabia, before production ended. VW China said the factories in Anting will eventually host production of smart electric vehicles, as well as combustion powered models it didn’t name. The No. 1 plant “will furthermore focus on electrification, intelligent manufacturing, and building customer-oriented R&D capabilities,” the company said. VW has a brand-new 300,000-car plant in Anting built specifically for electric vehicles. The company’s EV deliveries in China increased by 23% to 190,820 units last year. The timing of decisions for the other plants remains unclear, though some of the people said cutbacks are already under way. Skoda’s China future Many of the factories being scaled back make Skoda models which share platforms with VW cars like the Passat and Golf. Skoda production in China crumbled by more than half last year to fewer than 20,000 units. Amid the review, the partners are adjusting Skoda’s marketing and restructuring the dealer network, VW China said, with an eye toward increasing their focus on used-car sales. (Bloomberg)

Le quote cinese potresti tranquillamente dimezzare, perche almeno 50% delle Nev (attualmente significante piu) sono Phev, non bev.

Eh si - da Pian del Voglio a Barberino oppure da Assergi a Basciano funziona.

Forse un altro modo sarebbe quello di mostrare di nuovo più impegno e ambizione, con 35ore alla settimana e "work-live-balance" non si fa punti in una concorrenza globale.

...insieme ad una completa perdita di realtà.

No - era un 2cil in linea a 650ccm della divisione BMW Motorrad.

Allora tutto va bene comunque, qual è il problema? Vogliamo proibire a tutti gli altri di raggiungere il nostro livello? Mi sembra un po' presuntuoso.

ma in Europa vivono 750 Mio, gli altri 7,25 Mrd vivono fuori Europa, quindi l'europa non è il centro del mondo.

A5 ha un solo motore diesel, il 2.0 a 150kW, la V6 diesel e storia. E quale nuovo 3.0 diesel BMW? E sempre la B5730 in un step di evoluzione per raggiungere Euro7, non piu. E BMW questo motore condivide al momento tra 3/5/7/X3/X4/X5/X6/X7, quindi altro volume e segmento del prezzo rispetto una Giulia. E le cifre di Giulia e Stelvio da 2016 erano in un altra epoca, una Giulia II dal 2027/28 vivera in un mercato completamente diverso e questo mercato non e piu un vantaggio per una berlina sportiva. Anche una prossima ser3 non e piu paragonabile in vista dei versioni e volumi con la attuale. Questo segmento sta morendo.

Si si - anche fuori I/D si vende la touring, ma nei mercti europei fuori I/D quasi 80% delle touring sono bev e phev.

No - molto meno - 2019 eravamo a ca. 80Mio, 2023 a ca. 75Mio globale.

...Heritage....gia lei nel epoca era sottopotenziata 😝

Si vero - ma in qualche settori (abbigliamento, scarpe per esempio) la carovana si sta già muovendo, adesso si legge gia molto spesso nei prodotti "made in Bangladesh" oppure "made in Vietnam", non piu "made in cina". Anche i Cinesi in questi settori fra qualche anni hanno i stessi problemi come gli europei anni fa - sono troppo cari per una produzione intorno Cina. E chi lo sa, forse una volta l'onda tornerà di nuovo in europa...

Hmmm.devi considerare che dalle 5er SW diesel ca. 80% sono destinati per solo due mercati - Italia e Germania e per la 5er berlina diesel questi due stanno per ca. 35%, Polonia e Corea per altri ca. 35%. Quindi i diesel nel mondo totale sono decisamente un'eccezione.

..non e cosi....questo mercato hanno conquistato i cinesi....in primis Chery, GreatWall e Geely.

Si certo, quale vero venditore Fiat ha un interessa di vendere una Peugeot? 😝

...con 1.2 aspirato depotenziato a 60CV... 😂

eh....lascia stare G42/87, il loro termine residuo è abbastanza gestibile rispetto le tempistiche di una nuova Giulia.

Jeep to offer wide range of powertrain options Jeep has an assortment of new gasoline, plug-in hybrid and fully electric entries in the pipeline. The Recon, an EV inspired by the Wrangler, is coming in 2025. Jeep is replenishing its lineup in the coming years with an assortment of powertrain options, including two fully electric vehicles arriving in the months ahead. The familiar Cherokee and Renegade nameplates could return to the lineup on new platforms. The Cherokee was discontinued last year, and the Renegade was dropped from the U.S. lineup after the 2023 model year, although it continued to be sold in other markets. Recon: The electric Recon is an eco-friendly off-roader inspired by the Wrangler that will have removable doors and glass to offer open-air experiences. The company says it will reach dealerships in 2025. The electric Jeep Wagoneer S arrives at dealerships this fall. Wagoneer S: The electric Wagoneer S reaches U.S. and Canadian dealerships in the fall. It has an estimated range of more than 300 miles with a 0-to-60-mph time of 3.4 seconds. The five-seat Wagoneer S is smaller than the gasoline-powered, three-row Wagoneer SUVs that Jeep sells today, and the company said the EV will be the brand's most aerodynamic vehicle. It will be sold in major markets around the world, including Europe. Electric midsize crossover: A new EV crossover on the STLA Large platform is coming in 2025. AutoForecast Solutions says it will be called the Cherokee. The Cherokee's previous generation went out of production in 2023. Electric Renegade: The Renegade that will now be an electric subcompact crossover, which Stellantis plans to sell for under $25,000, could debut around 2027. Future Product Pipeline FUTURE PRODUCT PIPELINE: Want to keep up with the latest product planning news? Go to Automotive News' regularly updated database of product plans for brands that sell in the United States. Future Product Pipeline > STELLANTIS The Gladiator, as shown in 2024, gets a 4xe plug-in hybrid in 2025. Gladiator: The midsize pickup is getting a 4xe plug-in hybrid version in late 2025. Production continues into 2028, when a redesigned version emerges. Wagoneer L/Grand Wagoneer L: The extended versions of the premium utility vehicles debuted in 2022. Production is expected to continue into 2028, according to the UAW. Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer: Stellantis' UAW contract shows the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer getting extended-range electric versions in 2025, with fully electric versions coming in 2027. AutoForecast Solutions believes there could be a consolidation of the lineup in 2025. The forecaster says the standard Wagoneer nameplate could be dropped while Jeep continues on with the Grand Wagoneer. STELLANTIS The Jeep Grand Cherokee L will continue through 2027. Grand Cherokee L: Production of the three-row utility vehicle is slated to continue into at least 2027, according to AutoForecast Solutions. A redesign could emerge in 2027. Grand Cherokee: The Grand Cherokee could move to Stellantis' STLA Large platform in 2027. Stellantis' UAW contract lists an electric Grand Cherokee arriving in 2027. Wrangler: The Wrangler is slated to get fully electric and extended-range electric versions in 2028, when the next generation arrives. Compass: The next generation is likely to go into production in 2025 on the STLA Medium platform.

Semplicemente perche manca il volume per una Giulia su due binari. Con 15-20k al anno - quante variante vuoi fare? Tecnicamente si potrebbe fare molto, ma guardagnare soldi? Giulia II sara un auto di nicchia per pochi mercati in EU ed Usa. In Cina gia Giulia attuale non ha venduta, perche dovrebbe fare una prossima? Quali volumi per una berlina seg-D premium-sportiva hai in questi due mercati totale e quale quota al segmento potrebbe avere una Alfa?