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..logico..in Germania nessuno parla di un segmento C o segmento C-hatch o simile, questo segmento del mercato e semplicemente la "Golf-Klasse" ?

2 anni e mezzo ?. F52 era uscita gennaio '17 e un po dura ancora per il MY.

No! (sia una bell' collisione con la 2GC)

..you refer to this article? http://europe.autonews.com/article/20181105/ANE/181109872/vw-may-convert-two-more-german-plants-for-evs-paper-says Edward Taylor Reuters November 5, 2018 20:46 CET FRANKFURT -- Volkswagen will consider plans to convert its factories in Emden and Hanover, Germany, to build electric cars during a strategy review on November 16, a report in German daily Handelsblatt said. VW Group plans to build 10 million electric cars based on its new modular MEB platform, as it targets the launch of worldwide mass production toward the end of 2022. VW currently builds the VW Passat midsize car in Emden but the sedan segment has suffered from sagging demand as customers flock to buy SUVs, prompting a review of the factory's future. The Hanover plant builds vans including an electric version of the Crafter, along with the Amarok pickup and Tiguan SUV. VW will start series production of the battery-powered I.D. hatchback in Zwickau, Germany, in November 2019. Handelsblatt also said the multi-brand carmaking group will review plans to build a new plant for its Skoda brand, outside the Czech republic. Volkswagen declined to comment on the review.

Si, ha scritto AM+S. La A3 normale sara il 5p, lascia libera il nome A3 sportback per un "coupe" 4p stile CLA e 2er GC.

si..mio errore..guardato una colonna piu a destra nella presentazione..

mancano sopratutto i California/Portofino

..boh, sembra che almeno USA soffre - secondo il report 2811 shipments fine settembre, ma solo 1975 registrations fino ottobre (contro 2010 in 2017 per lo stesso periodo) - hanno accumulato un bel stock.....

Il report per il Q3 e il suo forecast per 2018 intero dice il contrario:

sono solo i hatch (dove sono ancora, anche i 3p, ma niente altri varianti).

Se vogliono suprare i 10.000 uniti al anno, poi hanno bisogno di Cina. 2018 fino adesso hanno venduto 1975 macchine in USA (mercato totale 14,27Mio) e 2966 in EU (tot 12,3Mio), invece in Cina solo 338 di tot 16,15Mio, cosi una quota di mercato in USA 0,014%, in EU 0,024% ma in Cina solo 0,002%. E i cinesi non vogliono macchine sportive (vedi Porsche, anche loro vendono quasi niente 911 in Cina) - soluzione: fare un trattore per i cinesi.

incluso golf sono 1,4Mio, senza Golf sono 1,13Mio fino settembre

cosi..come provato con Giulia ??

..si in Cina quasi niente..esattamente per questo motivo provano di conquistare questo mercato con un trattore/Suv

..boh..con tutte le nuove stabilmenti arivando (Mexico, Ungheria e Cina) al momento c'e piu di una possibilita per una ripartizione delle diversi modelli. Si simula alcune variante, la decisione finale e in dettaglio non e fissato. Mexico iniziera in ogni caso con la G20 prossimo anno. E prossima 2er Coupe sara G42 ?

..purtroppo hai raggione..anche se personalmente preferirei una bella Giulia Cabrio ?

almeno per la prossima generazione..e se saranno dopo questa generazione ancora macchine classiche ci vedremmo..forse verso 2030 non c'e piu la domanda di TA o TP, perche poi ci sono macchine con 4 motori elettriche in ogni ruota lo standard. base CLAR-WE

Ferrari quarterly earnings rise 5%, boosted by V-8 sales Reuters November 5, 2018 13:47 CET MILAN -- Ferrari third-quarter core earnings rose 4.7 percent, helped by positive performance from across its markets and strong sales of V-8 models, the automaker said in a statement. Adjusted earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortization (EBITDA) for the July-September period rose to 278 million euros ($316 million) from 266 million.. Sales were roughly flat at 838 million euros, slightly below expectations of 845 million euros. Ferrari's vehicle sales were driven by an 11 percent increase in demand for V-8 models led by the Ferrari Portofino. Sales of V-12 models, led by the 812 Superfast, rose 7.9 percent. The supercar maker, spun off from parent Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, has had a run of record earnings, helped by special-edition models and a customizations program. Investors are looking for reassurance the company can maintain its strong growth achieved under late boss Sergio Marchionne, who more than doubled the value of the group since he took it public in 2015. The unchanged forecast for 2018 earnings of at least 1.1 billion euros leaves Ferrari with "an undemanding fourth quarter (flat year-on-year) to meet the low end of this year's guide," Evercore ISI analyst George Galliers said in a note. The third quarter is the second set of results presented by new Ferrari boss Louis Camilleri, who took over in July after Marchionne's death. The sudden change at the top jolted shareholders who had expected Marchionne to remain at the helm until 2021. But investors welcomed a mid-term plan presented by Camilleri in September, under which he promised 15 new models, including hybrids, an SUV and special editions in a drive to almost double earnings to between 1.8 and 2 billion euros by 2022. http://europe.autonews.com/article/20181105/ANE/181109880/ferrari-quarterly-earnings-rise-5-boosted-by-v-8-sales

..e piu come strumento lavoro e un strumento feminile, come la Mini anche la ser1 e un BMW con quota molta alta dei clienti feminile..

..la carovana in Hotel sembra un po strano, ma dipende del luogo, se c'era per esempio vicino il Nürburgring, poi potrebbe essere, hanno forse lavorato fino al festivo e lavorano ancora dopo il festivo. Macchine camuffate singole a festivi o anche weekend c'e normale. Ci sono sempre anche esemplari dei prototipi per macinare chilometri, e questi muletti possono portare gli ingenieri delle diversi riparte sviluppo anche per un weekend (presuppooste per questo e una patente speciale interno per collaude prototipi) per raccolgiere piu chilometri piu possibile (qualche volte ti danno la macchina solo se confermi di fare almeno 1000km al weekend per esempio). E poi ci sono i membri del Topmanagment che portano anche i prototipi al weekend per provare come va la nuova macchina.

..la mia Veloce con marmitta Ragazzon (versione omologato CEE) e tutt'altro come anonimo, ma sono d'accordo con te, con marmitta di serie suona meno come la Giulietta 1.4 a 170CV.

per la sicurezza ci sono i roll bar, non il tetto ?

The new BMW 8 Series Convertible. Munich 02.11.2018 BMW is forging ahead with its model offensive in the luxury segment with the presentation of an open-top sports car which explores the highest reaches of dynamic flair, emotionality and exclusivity. The new BMW 8 Series Convertible blends ultra-sporty driving properties with distinctive design elegance and offers an extremely exclusive passport to hallmark BMW driving pleasure and a full-blooded open-top driving experience. Premiere for the second model in the new BMW 8 Series luxury-class line-up: New BMW 8 Series Convertible combines dynamic flair and serene long-distance ability with a sumptuous open-top driving experience. Open-air driving pleasure for four people. Classical soft-top roof with fully electric, extremely quiet operation, minimised weight and outstanding acoustic comfort. Roof opens and closes in 15 seconds at the touch of a button and when travelling at up to 50 km/h (31 mph). Soft-top in Black as standard or Anthracite Silver effect as an option. Standalone interpretation of emotionally rich exterior styling based on the new, clear and precise BMW design language. Familiar BMW proportions and elegantly flowing lines stand out particularly clearly with the roof down. Compact, taut soft-top generates distinctive “deck” silhouette. Wide, sporty rear-end design underlines the low-slung stance of the new BMW 8 Series Convertible. Exterior and interior design work together harmoniously. Gently rising shoulderline; surrounds for the side windows and soft-top lid merge. Front and rear seats embraced in a flowing movement. Sophisticated design for soft-top compartment with subtle domes and surfacing that takes its cues from the instrument panel and door shoulders. Market launch in March 2019 with two model variants: BMW M850i xDrive Convertible (fuel consumption combined: 10.0 – 9.9 l/100 km [28.3 – 28.5 mpg imp]; CO2 emissions combined: 229 – 225 g/km)* with 390 kW/530 hp V8 engine and BMW 840d xDrive Convertible (fuel consumption combined: 6.3 – 5.9 l/100 km [44.8 – 47.9 mpg imp]; CO2 emissions combined: 165 – 155 g/km)* with six-cylinder in-line diesel engine and 235 kW/320 hp. Both engine variants meet Euro 6d-TEMP exhaust standard. Power transfer by eight-speed Steptronic Sport transmission and BMW xDrive intelligent all-wheel drive. Unadulterated sports car character thanks to unwavering focus on maximising performance capability, powertrain technology and chassis in the development of the body structure. Developed alongside BMW 8 Series Coupe, BMW M8 and BMW M8 GTE endurance racer. Low centre of gravity, even weight distribution, lightweight construction using aluminium, magnesium and carbon-fibre-reinforced plastic (CFRP), aerodynamically optimised, almost lift-free body. Extremely stiff body and chassis structure with Convertible-specific underbody bracing. Special occupant protection measures, including strengthened windscreen frame and rollover bars behind the rear seats that extend by pyrotechnic charge. Adaptive M suspension, Integral Active Steering and mixed-size tyres as standard. M Sport differential (with electronically controlled differential lock) fitted as standard at the rear axle of the BMW M850i xDrive Convertible and available as an option for the BMW 840d xDrive Convertible. Active roll stabilisation optional for the BMW M850i xDrive Convertible. Driving Experience Control switch with ADAPTIVE mode. Clearly noticeable difference in car set-up between COMFORT and ECO Pro modes at one end of the spectrum and SPORT / SPORT+ modes at the other. Carefully judged adjustment of the powertrain and chassis systems enables clear focus on dynamic sharpness or sumptuous comfort. Adaptive LED headlights and LED rear lights as standard. BMW Laserlight with Selective Beam and high beam range increased to 600 metres available as an option. M Sport package for the BMW 840d xDrive Convertible with specific design and equipment features: front apron with extra-large air intakes, distinctive side skirt and rear apron design, 19-inch M light-alloy wheels, M Sport braking system, multifunction seats, M leather steering wheel and illuminated door sills with M logo. BMW M850i xDrive Convertible also has a front spoiler extension, 20-inch M light-alloy wheels and high- performance tyres, specific M Sport braking system, exclusive exterior elements in Cerium Grey, interior trim strips in stainless steel mesh design and illuminated door sills with model badge. M Technic Sport Package available for the BMW 840d xDrive Convertible. 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Fitted as standard: High Beam Assistant, Driving Assistant including Collision Warning and Pedestrian Warning system with City Braking function, Lane Departure Warning and Lane Change Warning systems, Speed Limit Info, Rear Cross Traffic Alert, Rear Collision warning, and Parking Assistant including Reversing Assistant. Optional: Active Cruise Control system with Stop & Go function, Driving Assistant Professional including Steering and lane control assistant, Lane Keeping Assistant with active side collision protection, evasion aid, distance information, Cross Traffic Alert, Priority warning and Wrong-way warning systems, as well as Parking Assistant Plus with Surround View, Top View, Panorama View and Remote 3D View. Latest Generation of the BMW Head-Up Display and BMW Live Cockpit Professional including navigation system, fully digital instrument cluster and 10.25-inch Control Display (with identical modern graphics) as standard. New BMW Operating System 7.0 enables extremely fast access to settings and functions, customisable displays and multimodal operation via touchscreen display, iDrive Controller, steering wheel buttons and voice control. BMW Intelligent Personal Assistant: Digital co-driver and vehicle expert is controlled by natural voice commands. Integration of Microsoft Office 365 and Skype for Business. BMW Digital Key enables car access and engine start-up via smartphone. Remote Software Upgrades allow updating of vehicle functions over the air. Model variants at launch: BMW M850i xDrive Convertible: V8 petrol engine, eight-speed Steptronic transmission. Capacity: 4,395cc, output: 390 kW/530 hp at 5,500 – 6,000 rpm, max. torque: 750 Nm (553 lb-ft) at 1,800 – 4,600 rpm. Acceleration [0 – 100 km/h (62 mph)]: 3.9 seconds, top speed: 250 km/h (155 mph). Fuel consumption combined: 10.0 – 9.9 l/100 km [28.3 – 28.5 mpg imp] (28.2 – 28.5 mpg imp), CO2 emissions combined: 229 – 225 g/km, exhaust standard: EU6d- TEMP. BMW 840d xDrive Convertible: Six-cylinder in-line diesel engine, eight-speed Steptronic transmission. Capacity: 2,993cc, output: 235 kW/320 hp at 4,400 rpm, max. torque: 680 Nm (501 lb-ft) at 1,750 – 2,250 rpm. Acceleration [0 – 100 km/h (62 mph)]: 5.2 seconds, top speed: 250 km/h (155 mph). Fuel consumption combined: 6.3 – 5.9 l/100 km [44.8 – 47.9 mpg imp] (44.8 – 47.9 mpg imp), CO2 emissions combined: 165 – 155 g/km, exhaust standard: EU6d- TEMP.

Apertura e anche chiusura capoto in 15 secondi, non male per un tetto per un quattroposti ..al momento non sono fissati, ma si parla di 108.000 per la 840d e 134.000 per la 850i. Commercializzazione da marzo 2019.

tranquillo..il vetro e optional ?