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molto probabilmente....
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No, mai previsto cosi. ..perche un casino? U25 ha le tempistiche della FAAR Evo come ciclo normale, le bev cinese sono un ampiamento della gamma indipendente delle ice e il rinnovo delle ice piccole e un risultato della data GSR24.
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No le foto sono scatte nella fabbrica di Lipsia dove sara prodotta la U25, sono auto della pre-serie gia assemblato nella linea di serie.
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...ma se hanno cambiato piattaforma, poi cosa e rimasto dal progetto iniziale?
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No, F66 parte piu tardi, J01 ha un SOP simile come U25.
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hmm..credo che durera ancora un po' perche il SOP non e vicinissimo.
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"Spy" ufficiali (BMW)
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Tutto rumors: SOP meta anno motori evoluti delle attuali, anche le mhev si sente saranno "piu elettrificate", 6cil molto probabile e morto ecetto RS4, rimane 6cil ma phev secondo la maggior parte delle voce, 6cil ds saranno sostituite da 4cil ds pompate, forse phev.
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Stellantis will use cheaper LFP batteries for EVs in Europe European automakers face increasing cost competition from rivals, such as Tesla, using Chinese-sourced LFP batteries. Stellantis plans to roll out electric vehicles in Europe with cheaper lithium iron phosphate (LFP) batteries. European automakers are currently using the more power dense, but costlier, NMC cell chemistry (nickel, manganese and cobalt). However they facing increasing cost competition from rivals using Chinese-sourced LFP batteries. “We need LFP and we will have LFP because it’s a cost competitive position to make affordable cars for the middle classes,” Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares said on an earnings call on Wednesday. Tavares did not give a timeframe for when the batteries will appear in EVs sold bz Stellantis brands, which include Peugeot, Citroen, Opel and Fiat. He said the “only question” is where the batteries would be sourced, either from Europe or from elsewhere. Stellantis will source standard NMC batteries from three planned battery plants in France, Germany and Italy through its ACC joint venture with Mercedes-Benz and TotalEnergies. The first plant, in Douvrin, France, will start building prototypes in the second half of this year with full production starting in 2024, Tavares said on the call. LFP is seen as giving a useful cost advantage in a period of high battery material prices because of its lack of costly nickel, cobalt and manganese. Tesla uses LFP batteries bought from Chinese specialist CATL for its standard range Model 3 sedan and Model Y sedan, both of which were subject to price cuts of up to 15 percent at the beginning of the year. The chemistry is also used by Chinese premium brands Xpeng and Nio, as well as growing volume brand MG. MG, owned by China’s SAIC, installs LFP batteries in entry-level versions of its new MG4 compact, a rival to the VW ID3 and Peugeot e-208. China dominates LFP production and it is set to produce 99.5 percent of global supply this year, according to battery materials analyst company Benchmark Minerals. China will account for 97 percent of planned LFP capacity up to 2030, the company has estimated. CATL is expanding into Europe and started preproduction at its 14-gigawatt-hour plant in Erfurt, Germany, late last year. The company plans to install six battery cell production lines there by the end of 2023. CATL did not reveal the chemistry of the battery it will make there. Stellantis has been linked to a second CATL plant to be built in Debrecen, Hungary, with production scheduled to begin after 2025. Mercedes will be its first customer, with Volkswagen Group and BMW also sourcing batteries from the plant. No chemistry has been announced for the batteries planned at the factory. Ford in the U.S. has partnered with CATL to build a new $3.5 billion LFP battery plant in Michigan which opens in 2026 with capacity to produce enough batteries to power 400,000 Ford models a year. Ford has estimated that LFP will help it make savings of between 10 to 15 percent compared to NMC batteries. The U.S. automaker has said it will start using imported LFP batteries in its Mach-E model from the spring onward. UBS and P3 Automotive last year conducted a teardown of the CATL LFP battery used in the Tesla Model 3 and concluded it was a global cost leader at a cell price of $131 (123 euros) per kilowatt hour, ahead of the BYD ‘Blade’ LFP battery, which cost $134 per kWh. altro articolo di ANE MILAN -- Stellantis plans to cut as many as 2,000 jobs in Italy this year to further reduce its workforce in Fiat's former home country as the transition to electric vehicles takes its toll. The automaker, formed from the merger of PSA Group and Fiat Chrysler, and local unions agreed on the reductions that represent about 4.3 percent of its 47,000 workforce in the country. The decision follows similar cuts last year. The planned exits will come mostly from workers not directly involved in production, who will receive benefits that include early retirement and as much as two years of salary for older workers, unions said Monday in a statement confirmed by Stellantis. Carmakers have been grappling with inflation and supply-chain disruption as they retool their factories to transition to battery-powered cars, prompting a cost-cutting drive. Ford Motor earlier this month said it will cut 3,800 positions in Europe as developing and producing electric vehicles requires fewer workers. Stellantis cited the EV shift for its plan to idle a Jeep-making factory in Illinois. "The cost of electrification is going to have an impact on the footprint of business that we are going to have around the world," CEO Carlos Tavares told reporters earlier this month. The maker of Jeep SUVs and Peugeot cars has been in talks with the Italian government about the future of the country's carmaking industry and bolstering demand for EVs. Stellantis will boost production at its Melfi plant in southern Italy to focus on EVs and plug-in hybrid vehicles, and is moving ahead with plans for a battery factory in Termoli that is due to start production in 2026. The manufacturer in late 2021 said that it's seeking to turn its Turin factory into an EV hub. (ANE)
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...non solo le due macchine non sono paragonabile, anche la loro clientela: quante Maserati sportive (uguale se 4200 o Granturismo) avete dia visto usato anno per anno come macchina daily, fare ogni giorno casa-uffico/studio/clienti anche durante inverno con gomme invernale, quante Coupe Maserati sono comprate e usate da donne anche come daily driver? Quasi niente, le Maserati sono 3° o 4° macchina usata a qualche giorni liberi o fine settimane con bel tempo, il resto del anno dormono in garage riscaldato. Invece le 911 hanno una clientela feminile di 30-40% (globale), la maggior parte delle 911 e usata tutto l'anno, anche con pioggia, neve e sale come una Golf o una ser3, solo un po' piu caro e un po' piu performante, ma per la loro clientela sono macchine completamente normale. Maserati son sempre dive viziate con situazione ricambi/servizio delicaato (almeno fuori Italia) e costi di manutenzione stratosferici, spesso anche con problemi in trovare gia una assicurazione che assume la copertura di un auto esotico.
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...esattamente il contrario...ignoranza e una caratteristica del marketing italiano, mai conoscendo e considerando i desideri dei clienti - questa M2 PP invece e la risposta perfetta per tutti fanfaroni tamarri globali e naturalmente anche in Italia dove M2 vende in maniera sproporzionata come anche X6.
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Stellantis will use cheaper LFP batteries for EVs in Europe European automakers face increasing cost competition from rivals, such as Tesla, using Chinese-sourced LFP batteries. Stellantis plans to roll out electric vehicles in Europe with cheaper lithium iron phosphate (LFP) batteries. European automakers are currently using the more power dense, but costlier, NMC cell chemistry (nickel, manganese and cobalt). However they facing increasing cost competition from rivals using Chinese-sourced LFP batteries. “We need LFP and we will have LFP because it’s a cost competitive position to make affordable cars for the middle classes,” Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares said on an earnings call on Wednesday. Tavares did not give a timeframe for when the batteries will appear in EVs sold bz Stellantis brands, which include Peugeot, Citroen, Opel and Fiat. He said the “only question” is where the batteries would be sourced, either from Europe or from elsewhere. Stellantis will source standard NMC batteries from three planned battery plants in France, Germany and Italy through its ACC joint venture with Mercedes-Benz and TotalEnergies. The first plant, in Douvrin, France, will start building prototypes in the second half of this year with full production starting in 2024, Tavares said on the call. LFP is seen as giving a useful cost advantage in a period of high battery material prices because of its lack of costly nickel, cobalt and manganese. Tesla uses LFP batteries bought from Chinese specialist CATL for its standard range Model 3 sedan and Model Y sedan, both of which were subject to price cuts of up to 15 percent at the beginning of the year. The chemistry is also used by Chinese premium brands Xpeng and Nio, as well as growing volume brand MG. MG, owned by China’s SAIC, installs LFP batteries in entry-level versions of its new MG4 compact, a rival to the VW ID3 and Peugeot e-208. China dominates LFP production and it is set to produce 99.5 percent of global supply this year, according to battery materials analyst company Benchmark Minerals. China will account for 97 percent of planned LFP capacity up to 2030, the company has estimated. CATL is expanding into Europe and started preproduction at its 14-gigawatt-hour plant in Erfurt, Germany, late last year. The company plans to install six battery cell production lines there by the end of 2023. CATL did not reveal the chemistry of the battery it will make there. Stellantis has been linked to a second CATL plant to be built in Debrecen, Hungary, with production scheduled to begin after 2025. Mercedes will be its first customer, with Volkswagen Group and BMW also sourcing batteries from the plant. No chemistry has been announced for the batteries planned at the factory. Ford in the U.S. has partnered with CATL to build a new $3.5 billion LFP battery plant in Michigan which opens in 2026 with capacity to produce enough batteries to power 400,000 Ford models a year. Ford has estimated that LFP will help it make savings of between 10 to 15 percent compared to NMC batteries. The U.S. automaker has said it will start using imported LFP batteries in its Mach-E model from the spring onward. UBS and P3 Automotive last year conducted a teardown of the CATL LFP battery used in the Tesla Model 3 and concluded it was a global cost leader at a cell price of $131 (123 euros) per kilowatt hour, ahead of the BYD ‘Blade’ LFP battery, which cost $134 per kWh. (ANE)
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La Galaxy light Concept e bev.
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...esatto...in 2022 dalle ca. 4,1Mio vendite in India erano ca. 8000 bev 😉.
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BYD Pick up bev/phev BYD will offer the pickup truck in EV and PHEV versions, with either rear-wheel drive or four-wheel drive. The PHEV will get BYD’s new DM-i hybrid technology. This is a plug-in hybrid system combining a 1.5 turbo petrol engine with one or two electric motors. Power output ranges from 180 to over 500 hp. (CNC)
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Produzione dal 2018 ca. 60k SW e 100k berline.
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...non solo, se guardi la discussioni vendite Cina poi vedi, che molti delle Bev in Cina sono Tesla e piu costose BYD ecc.
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..credo alla fine per la maggior parte della Cina un divieto non conta troppo, se vanno avanti come da 2021 (quota bev 10-11%) a 2022 (quota bev 22%) ....
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Credo di no...in un slide ufficiale alla partenza di Stellantis i global functions erano cosi e questi erano i brand manager (ma OF in addizione global marketing, invece Koskas global Sales and marketing...ma..questi strutture di matrix......🙄)
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..almeno in caso di Cina la grafica non e corretto oppure malinterpretato: dal 2035 sono divieto tutti le vendite di macchine che non sono Nev (=new energy vehicle). Ma la definizione di Nev in Cina significa "bev o phev" - e una phev naturalmente ha un motore ice. Il divieto totale per motori ice in Cina al momento si discute per 2060.
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Stellantis NA secondo me, perche anche le 16% sono in the states.
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https://www.stellantis.com/it/news/comunicati-stampa/2023/febbraio/thierry-koskas-e-nominato-chief-executive-officer-del-marchio-citroen-e-direttore-vendite-e-marketing-di-stellantis
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As chip shortage eases, Stellantis CEO sees rising pressure on car prices Carlos Tavares says Stellantis can avoid cutting prices in the short term because it still has months’ worth of orders to deliver. Shortages of semiconductors and other components are easing, Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares said, helping the industry increase production and bulk up inventories. The constraints on production are being lifted just as automakers contemplate the prospect of price wars and a more competitive industry. Consumers may be less willing to spend on big-ticket items such as cars because of worries about inflation, rising interest rates and higher energy prices. "The situation continues to improve,” he told journalists on Wednesday about the semiconductor supply. "Over the last six months we have been able to hold a very significant level of production.” Tavares said there has already been a noticeable easing of demand, but that Stellantis can avoid cutting prices in the short term because it still has months’ worth of orders to deliver. He said Stellantis had 1.3 million cars in its global inventory, including 1 million in dealer stock. "We have clear signs that there is a rebalancing of supply and demand so it’s normal that pricing power will be under pressure for the next few quarters,” he said. "The good news is that supply is back so we will have a greater overall potential for profitable volume” as orders are filled and if demand level remains the same. Vehicles such as the Jeep Grand Cherokee (shown in plug-in hybrid form) helped Stellantis achieve an average transaction price of $53,000 in the U.S. Price cuts on electric cars from Tesla have set off speculation that many other automakers would follow suit. Ford has done so in the U.S., and Mercedes-Benz has cut prices in China. Tavares described those cuts as "tactical” to capture EV subsidies and boost EV sales. A key to the outlook beyond the first half of the year is orders in the second quarter, he said. "For the second half of the year, it’s all about spring in terms of order intake and trends,” he said, adding that it was "too soon” to make solid forecasts because of a "volatile” market. Tavares said the key to preserving Stellantis’ double-digit operating margins if demand drops is reducing fixed costs faster than the ability to maintain or raise current prices – what automakers call "pricing power.” "If there was to be some erossion of pricing power, the name of the game is to reduce total production costs faster,” he said. "We are a company that is known to be quite strong in cost management.” That could also be helped if inflation continues to cool, reducing raw materials costs. The automaker recorded margins of more than 16 percent in North America, and its average transaction price in the U.S. was $53,000 per unit in 2022, which it said was the highest in the segments in which it competes. Stellantis is likely to lose thousands of units of production on popular models such as the Peugeot 308 and 2008, according to AutoForecastSolutions, because of shortages of components that include semiconductors. Even though the chip shortage may have eased, Stellantis is still facing sporadic production disruptions for key models. Component shortages could lead to losses of about 24,000 units in 2023 for the compact Peugeot 308 at Mulhouse, France, and 22,000 units for the Peugeot 2008 small SUV at Vigo, Spain, according to a report last Friday from AutoForecastSolutions, which has been tracking the semiconductor shortages. Tavares said there were still a few Tier 1 suppliers who were having supply issues, but a smaller number than in 2021. The chip supply situation "is now a very good way of identifying the companies that are good enough at managing their own supply chains,” he said. (ANE)
