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La TP e nemeno la posizione longitudinale di un motore non c'entra nulla con il se un marchio e' premium(una classificazione recente(dunque parlare di premium dalla notte dei tempi e' ridicolo) per le vetture tra le lusso e le generaliste...) o lusso...anzi un tempo erano le TP o le vetture con motore longitudinale ad essere considerate antiquate del resto entrambe sono tecnologie piu antiche rispetto alla TA e la posizione trasversale del motore.....altro se la posizione arretrata sui longitudinali quella detta anteriore centrale abbinato al cambio transaxle e la per le trazioni posteriori ha rinobilitato le TP con motore anteriore... Poi il personaggio e ridicolo perche dice che la TP condizione il design di una vettura...ma la TP puo essere come quella bmw o rr...ma puo essere anche con motore arretrato e cambio transaxle come ferrari o maserati...o transaxle senza motore arretrato come alfetta... oppure con motore centrale longitudinale come F430...oppure con motore centrale trasversale come Miura...oppure con motore posteriore come nuova 500....dunque mi sa che lui e' una persona che proprio non conosce la storia dell'auto ma anche l'architettura dell'auto.... e per ricordare la storia.... questa e' un auto a TP BMW...BMW Wartburg questa un altra TP BMW... questa e' una TA Bucciali...
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FXX 1000kgr e' una provocazione...e non usa tutta la futura tecnologia ferrari...anzi non e' nemeno una concept e' un package di autovettura...che ha mantenuto motore cambio etc. da Ferrari FX(Enzo) ma grazie al migliore packaging le sue minori dimensioni e uso di nuove tecniche avrebbe potuto avere un peso sui 1000kgr 365kgr in meno di FX e offrire con lo stesso motore prestazioni paragonabili ad una FX da 800cv+....non lo puoi capire.... Una cosa e' la FXX 1000kgr Un altro il discorso su tutte le future tecnologie....del resto il package di FXX 1000kgr e' una evoluzione di quello di enzo anche se irrealistico e per cui provocatorio perche e' dubbio se la clientela vorra una "Diva" V12 che forse non ha la stazza necessaria per il segmento....quello che invece e' reale e' che le vetture di serie della Ferrari grazie a nuove tecnologie potrano pesare fino a 300kgr in meno nel prossimo decennio...anche se alla fine anche questo e' dubbio almeno come numero se avvera perche se da una parte si fa uso a nuove tecniche per il telaio che sara monocoque in aluminio e non piu spaceframe...l'uso di tecnologie nuove come l'ibrido leggero ,il turbo l'aerodinamica attiva etc. sicuramente aumentano il peso
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Ma che c'entra l'una cosa con l'altra...ferrari ha parlato piu volte di motori turbo ed iniezione diretta ed anche qui...ma questo non c'entra con il package di FXX millechili....mi sa che ti confondi
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nemeno l'avevo notata la tua firma..
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si l'ho notato..
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guarda che non scherza http://www.autopareri.com/forum/showthread.php?p=519831#post519831 solo che A1 chiama una VW Lupo personalizzata... Comunque la cosa piu facile e' prenotare un auto di prossima uscita...
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comunque sara' pesantuccia 330i Coupe pesa 1470kgr din/1545kgr eu M3 Coupe con il tetto in carbonio(-5kgr) pesa 1580kgr din/1655kgr eu 330i Cabrio pesa 1705kgr din/1780kgr eu M3 Cabrio dovrebbe pesare 1820kgr din/1895kgr eu...
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FXX 1000chili simonepietro e' un manifesto riguardante la parte telaistica...come motori secondo il suo package usa il 6.0V12 660cv di Enzo...e dimostra come si potrebbe avere le prestazioni di una enzo da 800cv con lo stesso motore...i futuri sviluppi in ambito di motori non c'entrano nulla...epoi le ferrari rimarrano sempre V12...e V8...altro se saranno usate nuove tecnologie per migliorare l'efficienza di essi..
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e' un concetto di auto nuovo ...e no su FXX millechili e' stato ipotizzato l'uso del V12 della Ferrari FX alias Enzo...dunque parliamo di una V12 da 660cv e 1000kgr di peso
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che c'entra porsche...porsche e' un costruttore di vetture premium da 42.000$....Ferrari e' un costruttore di vetture luxury da 170.000$...
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Si anteriore arretrato con cambio transaxle, non ci sara' opzione manuale solo robotizzato F1.Telaio in alluminio di nuova generazione, il tetto e' a due pezzi, ed il codice di progetto F149.
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e tra le mie preferite blu notte poi e' fantastica.
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Montezemolo ha detto che non ci sara' una piccola Ferrari...ha detto recentemente che ferrari rimarra un costruttore di vetture dai 130.000 euro in su....domanda ma se F430 costa piu di 155.000 euro?... Infatti come e' stato piu volte anticipato in questo sito da poppy,alfa jtd,me ed altri ci sara' una GT 2+2 Ferrari Coupe Cabriolet con motore di 4.3lt da 450cv con un prezzo base superiore ai 130.000 euro.Quindi niente Dino...ma una seconda Ferrari V8 la "GT California"..
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In 1964 in March the 1st of 36 Ferrari 500 Superfast LHD made it's debut at the Geneva Motor Show the exterior was light blue metallic with white exterior in the late 60's it was for sale in Auto Beckers Salon International with 20.000km on the odometer and a 35.000 DM price tag attached to it. For Prince Bernhard of Netherlands a 330 Superfast was build. The 500 Superfast displayed in Dueseldorf was the 1st 500 SF Prototype carrying serial number 5951SF it's first German owner was Consul Osterfeld of Fulgurit in Wunstorf Hannover. In 1968 itwas advertised in the german car Magazine Auto Motor Sport by Auto Becker with 20.000km. In 1977 it was advertised by Claus F. Mirbach with only 19.000km but already the price went up to DM 55.000. The next owner painted it unfortunately in fire engine red. In 1984 it found a new home at Ferrari Collector Charles Gnaediger in Bern and in 1992 it found a new home in Lugano. In June 1964 5977SF the 2nd Ferrari 500 Superfast was delivered to Simons in Geneva, in 1969 it was sold to swiss Architect Ado Vallaster were it found a new home for the next 30 years, it was delivered in Grigio Argento with rosso interior. 5979SF was the 3rd Ferrari 500 Superfast origimnal exterior was Gold metallic with black interior it was delivered in July 1964 to a Californian customer. Before 1970 it was painted burgundy, in 1988 5979SF found it's way to OTG in Switzerland, in 1993 it was sold by Sotheby's in Zurich for $150,000. In 2007 it is offered by Mario Bernardi. 5981SF was the 4th LHD Ferrari 500 Superfast and the 1964 Turin Show Car displayed in blue and nero, in October it was delivered to Napoli, 10 years later with 30,000 miles on the speedo it lived in the UK and moved to Nick Sopranos Motor Classic Corp. in White Plains NY, it was repainted metallic silver and went on to Frank Triarsi, in 1993 it was offered by "broker" Todd Morici. In 1997 it was offered on ebay but not sold for a high bid of $145,100. In 2000 it was with Skeets Dunn of Rancho Santa Fee, offered by Michel Sheehan ex European Car Sales, the dealer ship which sold most of collectable Ferraris ever for $315,000 to Eric Zausner. In 2004 it was offered by Berlinetta Motors of St. Ingbert for CPI Pieper, in 2006 Artcurial sold the 500 Superfast for €349.000. In 1964 in March 5983SF a Ferrari 500 Superfast leaft the Ferrari factory with no rear seats, painted maroone featureing beige interior to star at the Brussels Motor Show and then to be delivered via Chinetti to Dupont in Philidelpia, itwas not sold at the Solo Ferrari Orion Monaco auction for a highbid of 1,685mio FFR, it went from auction to auction and dealer to dealer ... until lately sold again for €401,750 by Christie's at the Paris 2007 Retromobile. The 1964 Chicago Show car was the 6th Ferrari 500 Superfast 5985SF, the exterior was Blu Scuro and the interior Marrone. The 7th Ferrari 500 Superfast was finalized 1965 January 12th, 5989SF was painted Azzuro and sold to Porta USA, in 1976 it owned by John Mecom jr., since 1978 it registered in California "316 XPF". 6033SF was the serial number of the 8th Ferrari 500 Superfast, it was completed 1965 January 26 and delivered via Auto Becker to Riess, it looked stunning in Gun Metallic with Nero leather interior. In 1989 it was offered for $800,000 by Ferrari of Walnut Creek, in 1990 it was not sold in the Geneva Sportscar auction for a $705,000 highbid, since 1996 it is back in the USA. Prince Karim, Ali Khan's son was the 1st owner of the 9th Ferrari 500 Superfast 6039SF it was displayed the Geneva Car Show and delivered via Garage de Montchoisy in Geneva., it was pianted Rosso Corsa and the leather was Naturale, in 1973 Peter Civati, California was the 1st USA owner, in 1974 it was restored with new interior, rebuilt engine, gearbox, differential & suspension by Bill Gojkov "Bill de Carr" of Ferrari Unlimited Santa Ana for Otis Chandler San Marion, CA, with dark blue/tan connolly leather, then it joined 20 other Ferraris in the Grag Garrison stable in Montana, it wnet thru the hands of Skeets Dunn and Mike Sheehan to Eric Zausner. Giallo sole with nero interior was the New York Show Car, this Ferrari 500 Superfast 6041SF left the factory 1965 March 16, and was sold to Richard Jacoby, NY, USA in 1989 it was rsetored by Francois Sicard, CT, USA, black with red leather, 12 years after the restoration Ted Johnson offered the car with 18,000 miles on the odometer asking $360,000. In 2007 the car has just completed Ground rubber up restoration and looks like it just had left the factory again shiny in Sun Yellow, and is offered by Ketcham Imports. 6043SF was a LHD Ferrari 500 Superfast delivered in Verde with Nero leather to Lord James Hanson via Maranello Concessionaires in 1965 35 years later the was 3 triple black auctioned in Gstaad by Bonhams for Sfr 443,500 to Dutch Edgar Schermerhorn. Prince Sadhruddin Aga Khan was the 1st owner of Ferrari 500 Superfast 6049SF, the 12th Superfast was for many years at Mas du Clos, in 1990 the engine was offered by Richard McEntyre, CA for $150,000, in 2000 the car sold for $245,000 to Connecticut. Prince Bernhard of Netherlands took delivery in August 1964 of 6267GT a special ordered 330 Superfast, with a 330 engine 4 litre engine, in 1975 Robert Bornstein, CA owned the car, in 1991 it was onwed by Erich Traber until it sold in 2003 at the Bonhams Gstaad auction for Sfr 380,000 to Bonhams baker Dutch Evert Louwman. May be this car will be displayed in his new Museum since it has Dutch history. The 13th Ferrari 500 Superfast 6303SF was sold to Peter Livanos, Greece, painted blu notte with leather Naturale. The car is in the San Diego area. 6305SF was delivered to Guido Monzino, Milano in May 1965 via Crepaldi, in 1972 it went to the USA the black paint was peplaced by a dark red one, Mike Sheehan bougth in in 1983 for $125,000, in 1991 Carex Sportwagen in Frankfurt paid $600,000 in 1999 the 14th Ferrari 500 Superfast went via Eberlein to Bruce McCaw's Collection, by then Nero and Naturale again. 6307SF left the factory 1965 May 29, painted white with marrone interior in the 60's a blue center stripe (american racing colors) was added, since 1994 the Ferrari 500 Supoerfast is displayed at The Behring Auto Museum, Danville. 6309SF was sold to Gunther Sachs and is since many many years in bare metal in the Frankfurt area. This Ferrari 500 Superfast was finished 1965 July 15 in Blu Sera with Marrone interior. The car displayed at the London Motor Show in 1965, was the 500 Superfast 6345SF, painted Rosso Cina with Nero interior, the car was involved in an accident the driver was killed, the wreck was bought by JAP Engineering, the engine was installed in a 275 GTS. 500 Superfast 6351SF was delivered to Jersey via Maranello Concessionaires, finished 1965 November 28 in Grigio Argento with Nero interior, it was not sold in the 1991 Sotheby's Monaco auction at a highbid of $188,750. In 1994 it was offered by Cloverbush for PDS 98.500, described as "poor paint lower down, some localised rot starting underneath". 500 Superfast 6605SF was delivered to Reza Pahlevi, Shah of Iran, it is missing, according to rumours, still stored in Tehran with broken windshield, it was finished in Grigio Argento with Blu. 6615SF left the Ferrari factory 1965 September 21 in Blu Chiario with Naturale interior, the 1st customer was Heinz Biel, in Moers, Germany, in the early 80's it was restored drak blue / red by Francois Sicard and since 1983 the 500 Superfast belongs to a large Ferrari Collection in New Nork. 6659SF is a RHD 500 Superfast painted Grigio Argento with Red interior, it was delivered to Sir Eric Miller, it was sold in 1979 to Australia where it was auctioned in 1989 by Brooks for $758,000, and stayed in Australia. 6661SF was deliverd in 1965 to Jack S. Durlacher in RHD configuration, in 1980 Richard Attwood asked for PDS 18,000, in 1992 the Roy Scot Trust had an asking price tag from PDS 170,000 attached to the 23rd 500 Superfast. Blu with Naturale interior was a RHD version completed 1965 July 21st delivered to Harry J. Hymans via Maranello Concessionaires, who just kept the 500 Superfast 6673SF for one year, in 1982 DK Engineering restored it and repainted it Rubino Red, it went to Ferrari collector Mark Tippetts, in 1992 it was auctioned by Coys and not sold the highbid was PDS 85,000, since 1994 it is displayed in the Maranello Rosso collection. The actor Peter Sellers was the 1st owner of 500 Superfast 6679SF a RHD version, painted Nocciola Metallic with naturale interior, in 1998 it was auctioned by Brooks and sold for PDS 11,000. Barbara Hutton was 1st owner of 500 Superfast Series II 7817 it was elegant looking in Grigio Argento with Rosso interior, offered by Mike Sheehan in 1981, in 1985 Thomass Barrett III paid $75,000 for it, next owner was racer Ed Lunken and in 1991 it was auctioned by Poulain Le Fur Auction, today it is owned by David Lettermann. Unfortunately it is now fire engine red. In November 1965 the Shah of Iran received his 2nd LHD 500 Superfast 7975, Marrone with naturale interior, featuring air condition and power windows. In 1976 it was owned by Hugh Edgley who displayed in 1992 at the International Historic Festival in Silverstone. 8019 was the Brussels Show Car, painted Blue Sera with Girigio interior, 1st owner was Leibowitz in the USA, in 1976 the Ferrari 500 Superfast joined Gil Nickel's yellow 340 America Vignale Spyder s/n 0140A (Oakville, CA), may be it is still with the Nickel family. 8083 was delivered new to Willis Bailard in California, Mike Dunn won many major Concours awards with the Blu Scuro / blu 500 Superfast, in 2002 it was auctioned in Arizona by RM and sold for $335,000. 8253 was completed in January 1966 and sold to Stanley Friden of Diablo, CA, ten years later it found a new home for 10+ years in Texas, moving into the Turing Wheel Collection for $550,000, in 1996 via Bernardi to Ferrari Enthusiast M. Ficht in Germany and 10 years later the 500 Superfast was sold for €330.000 by http://www.mariobernardi.com/ for M. Ficht. The orginal color was Blu Sera with Blu interior. 8273 was completed in January 1966 in Avorio and Nero interior and sold to Knowles in California, later it was painted red. Since 1988 the 500 Superfast is with William Kontes, Milville, NJ, who paid $250.000. Did it move with Bill to Florida ... hm good question ... we don't know. 8299 featured aircondition and was the New York Motor Show car, painted in Grigio Argento and Rosso interior, the 1st owner was Schwartz of Brooklyn, in 1992 the 500 Superfast was offered by Ed Waterman's Motorcar Gallery in Ft. Lauderdale for $495,000. 8459 was a RHD 500 Superfast Blu Chiaro with Naturale interior Jack Durlachers second Superfast, in 1976 it was offered by Terry Hoyle for PDS 70,000, in 1992 it was sold on the Sotheby's Hendon London Auction for $208,353. The 34th 500 Superfast 8565 was painted Blu Sera with Girgio interior, featuring air condition, power windows and power steering, in 1995 offered by Ed Waterman's Motorcar Gallery for $295,000 and sold to a Seattle Ferrari Collector, there after it was restored Dark Blue with Cognac leather. 500 Superfast 8739 is painted Azzuro with Beige interior was completed as 34th Superfast in April 1966, the 1st owner was Joseph Bettendorf, Biscayne Bay, FL, USA, in 1973 Henry W. Desormeau, Latham, NY, USA paid $19,000 for the Superfast it was repainted red, in 1997 it was offered by Forza Motorsport for $160,000, in 1993 it was not sold during RM's Monterey Sportscar auction the highbid was $270,000. In June 1966 8817 was completed as 35th 500 Superfast, painted Grigio Argento with Black interior, black carpets, fog lights, 5 speed, a/c, power windows, servo, delivered to John Winter Napoleon, Ohio, in 1979 John Mozart bought it from Ed Waterman, the car was then red and black, in 1990 Mozart offered it for $800,000, Brooks sold it at the Monaco auction for $337,000, new owner was Seydoux in France. In 2005 May was offered by Modena Motorsport. In 2007 it is auctioned on June 19th by Artcurial. The 500 Superfast production ended with 8897 the 36th car in August 1966, it was RHD, painted Avorio with Naturale interior and was delivered to Colonel Ronnie Hoare, GB . It was bought by Philipp Marcq for $123,000 in May 1987 at the Christie's Monaco auction, just one year later it was sold at the COYS Wembley auction for $584,251. For 10 years it was part of the Michael Mak Collection. Since 2004 it is part of the Blackhawk Collection in Dabville, California. In 1964 the 1st 500 Superfast was displayed at the Geneva Motor Show, it's 4,963 liter engine produced 400 bhp at 6500 rpm. As with the 400 SA, the engine’s total displacement served as the name for the model (500 for 5.0-liters). 24 units with 4-speed gearboxes were produced. In 1966 the second series of 12 cars started using a 5-speed gearbox and adding extra speed.
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di sicuro avra' colori e grafica ispirata...del resto io ricordo varie versioni del logo Alfa anni '30...Alfa Romeo 2 nodi sabaudi Milano...Alfa Romeo 2 nodi sabaudi Paris...ed infine Alfa Romeo con 3 nodi sabaudi senza nome di citta' come nella recente felpa di Hydrogen.
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e' avorio non bianca per ovvi motivi...
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no...quello di autocar invece e' veritiero...
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Io lo dico da tempo, che ci sara' un aggiornamento del logo Alfa Romeo il prossimo autunno...e sono stato il primo a smentire la notizia che ripportava Talos ieri....del resto non dimenticate che in autunno iniziano le consegne di 8C e se per 5oo andava bene un logo fiat ispirato a quello Fiat anni 50...cosa andrebbe bene per Alfa 8C secondo voi?
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il frontale e' una evoluzione di quello di Mondeo
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lo sviluppo la industrializzazione e la produzione di Ka e' totalmente outsourced a Fiat....Ford fa solo il design...
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parlo della carrozzeria.
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di sicuro saranno tolti 90-100kgr dalla famiglia 939 con il My2008 il prossimo autunno grazie ad un acciaio particolare denominato STR18 sviluppato con Thyssen Krupp che non richiede di essere galvanizzato...entro 2009 con il redesign degli interni e l'arrivo dei diesel family B 2.0 e 2.5 riprogettati dovrebbe in alcune versioni sfiorare i 150kgr la riduzione complessiva del peso rispetto a 159 serie 0 diesel....
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la situazione attuale Brera 3.2JTS Q4 1630kgr din/1705kgr eu 159 3.2JTS Q4 1680kgr din/1755kgr eu 159 3.2JTS Q4 1730kgr din/1805kgr eu 330xi Coupe 1570kgr din/1645kgr eu 330xi 1580kgr din/1655 kgr eu 330xi Touring 1640kgr din/1715kgr eu