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@lukka1982 But the most important for Grecale is SOP for October 2021. It was even confirmed by FIM-CISL few days ago. And this is completely in line with my information.
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Formula E is competition for idiots
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Renegade was almost 100% Italian job except for styling.
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Compass and Renegade MHEV SOP is scheduled for 2021. Renegade October, Compass December.
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Alfa Romeo Tonale PHEV 2022 - Prj. 965 (Spy a pag.351)
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They have new generation 2.0 MJT ready for use. It's here. All they need is mechanical AWD option. 😂 For ex FCA and how platform thing is working. Platform should be the same as family of architectures. ICE, P2 MHEV and PHEV are all on different architectures. So if they want and need it they can green lit development of B-Wide BEV architecture. Why not? With FCA's speed development it would come out around the same time as EMP2 v4 i.e. eVMP. And they would get much more versatile platform in terms of powertrain and ready for much more markets like US and Brazil. I don't of you are reading news which are not for Europe. They are developing new pick up on B/Small Wide for Brazil. This one is bigger than Toro. Most likely it will be sold under RAM brand. Small/B Wide still has a lot of life left in it. -
Alfa Romeo Tonale PHEV 2022 - Prj. 965 (Spy a pag.351)
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Alfa Romeo Tonale PHEV 2022 - Prj. 965 (Spy a pag.351)
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SOP Tonale 28.12.2021. Tonale PHEV 21.2.2022. Tonale MHEV 23.3.2022. -
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Usually Compass is faster with every internal combustion engine. I don't know why would it be faster with PHEV. Weight is similar while Compass has much better aerodynamics. -
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You are talking about data sheet. That's not what I've asked. I asked about QR measured data. AFAIK Compass PHEV was much faster than declared 7.3 seconds. Not to mention that 2.0 turbo would serve both Alfa's and Dodge's image in US. -
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Do you have data form QR tests of 3008 PHEV? Both P2 and P2P4 PHEV. I'm interested in 0-100 km/h time comparison against Compass P4 PHEV. -
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Let's not forget that the Dodge Hornet at Pomigliano is the car which will be used to bring costs down. If we are going to see mules with the final bodywork on roads in late April or during May then they are on track to start production late this or early next year. Grecale was seen in February I think. Its production is still slated for October. I gave this numbers for comparison. -
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LOL, the last night, some 10 hours before I saw this article, I said that Alfa Tonale production is planned for late December. It's December 28th to be precise, 3 days after Christmas, which I believe pushes it automatically to January 2022. Then this morning I see typical Ciferri's doom&gloom article. Tonale is postponed by 3 months he said. Plan was to start production in October 2021. If someone adds 3 months to it you'll end at January 2022. As usual Ciferri is late and the rest of his article is full of shit. It's usual Cifferi. -
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Now when I have seen the whole article I can say when is Tonale SOP planned. For the last week of December 2021. And it was planned like that in December 2020. So nothing new here. -
Now when I have seen the whole article I can say when is Tonale SOP planned. For the last week of December 2021. And it was planned like that in December 2020. So nothing new here.
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@lukka1982 I agree. But it seems that French pride was attacked and broken by Gorlier. They can't pass over EMP2 platform snub. -
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Imparato is idiot like rest of French guys. He wants more powerful PHEV. That's all. He doesn't understand that Alfa Romeo is about steering feel and handling. For him performance equals acceleration. -
Poland/Tychy will get 500 5p, Jeep Junior and Alfa Kid. That's for sure. PSA had transferred this development to Turin. At least partially if not all. I don't have any dates. In the autumn Cassino will get Maserati Grecale production. Folgore version will follow almost a full year later, actually it's more like 9 months from what I remember. Folgore for all Maserati models is slated for calendar 2022. This includes GranTurismo, MC20 and Grecale. So far MC20 sales are going better than expected. It's sold out for 2021 and they sold bug chunk of 2022 allocation already at the beginning of 2021. So at this moment it's very likely that 2022 allocation is close to being sold out. Late this year in Melfi they will start production of P2 MHEV Jeep Renegade and Compass. In 2022 500X MCA is coming. In Pomigliano Tonale should start production at the very end of 2021. PHEV and P2 MHEV versions should follow in Q1 2022. Dodge C-SUV will follow in mid 2022. Fiat Tipo P2 MHEV will start production in Q1 2022. At this moment these are the plans. Of course I may know more but it's unimportant for EU market or European and Italian production.
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@nucarote Of course you can shorten whichever platform you want but question is about internal dimensions, habitability and packaging. In this regard CMP as it is can't be used for A segment cars or even for South American B segment. Which actually shows that the new Mini would be much better suitable as a worldwide platform.
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Commander? Is it official? Just imagine another surprise with Wagoneer Sport. 😂
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I would like to see this car in Europe. I think that it would be the far better choice in Europe than current generation Cherokee.
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Jesus, this is trolling. You all know about who I'm talking about. Both PSA and FCA were slightly late with electrification efforts in EU.
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@nucarote Not true. PSA is late with P2 MHEV introduction. It should happen in late 2023. Original plan was during 2022.
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Small/B Wide MHEV is another new architecture in addition to ICE and PHEV versions. I presume that batteries will not be small. It's a P2 MHEV.
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Alfa Romeo Tonale PHEV 2022 - Prj. 965 (Spy a pag.351)
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I'm wondering when the decision to build Dodge next to Tonale has came up.🤔 10.25" can be fitted inside of Stelvio. Not sure about Giulia. -
PSA doesn't produce 8 speed Aisin. Here it has something with production. I can say as much. And I think that the transmission is 100% FCA.
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