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Irrelevant. Maserati powertrain is not a mass market one. Let's focus on a mass market. For MHEV. P1F (actually it's a P0) 48V is being rolled out on American RWD based products. P1F 12V will be introduced to a 500 and Panda. P2 48V is the one we are waiting for because it will be the most important electrification form for European FCA lineup. PHEV for FCA started with a P2P3 architecture as is on Pacifica. Chinese Jeep Commander is the 2nd product. It uses EVT transmission. Second PHEV architecture is the one using P4 (e-axle) electric motor. It will be used on Renegade, Compass... Tonale. And finally the third PHEV architecture is the one for RWD based vehicles. First applications will be on Jeep Wrangler with more to follow including Alfa and Maserati. So if you ask me FCA is on track with its electrification plan.
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Ideally all diesels would be a 48V MHEV. Why not.
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Alfa Romeo Tonale PHEV 2022 - Prj. 965 (Spy a pag.351)
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For "eating" kilometers on motorway diesel is still unbeatable. -
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It will be offered in US starting with MY22. But this class size is not popular in US. This are cars starting at around 35k USD with 2.0 turbo engine. Just for comparison Jeep Compass starts at 24k USD with 2.4. -
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I'm always talking about MHEV, P2 MHEV to be more precise because BSG 48V MHEV is not in the plans for FCA cars with transverse engines. P2 48V MHEV is in plans for both transversely and longitudinally oriented engines in FCA cars. P2 electric motor is part of the gearbox. Both ZF 9HP and ZF 8HP in its current forms are P2 MHEV capable. Currently there is not FCA cars with this technology. It will be unveiled in late 2020 or early 2021. I didn't mention PHEV. -
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No 2.0 MA, no 2.2 alu diesel, no 2.0 MHEV??? Actually I do believe that all petrol engines for Tonale will be at least MHEV. That's a trend. Plus Quadrifoglio should be a 2.0 MHEV. -
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350+ CV P2 MHEV ? -
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3.0 V6 was not planned for Europe, only for US. Dunno if something has changed.
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Why compare it to an abortion called C3 Aircross and to a bestsellers like 2008 and Captur?
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ZF 8HP is offered as MHEV, HEV or PHEV... Micro Hybrid? 'M' stands for Mild.
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10,25"? Harman-Google?
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https://www.fcagroup.com/en-US/media_center/fca_press_release/FiatDocuments/2019/july/FCA_2019_SECOND_QUARTER_RESULTS.pdf FCA reports strong second quarter 2019 results with Net profit from continuing operations at €0.8 billion, Adjusted net profit of €0.9 billion, Adjusted EBIT of €1.5 billion, margin at 5.7%. Full-year guidance is confirmed. “We continue to deliver strong performance in North America and LATAM. Robust demand for our new products, along with steps we've taken to exert discipline across all of our businesses, have generated the momentum to achieve our full-year 2019 guidance.” - Mike Manley, CEO While Group Adjusted EBIT was in line with prior year, North America achieved record Q2 results despite shipments being down 12%, largely attributable to dealer stock reductions of approximately 80 thousand units. The successful launch of the all-new Ram heavy-duty pickup, along with the continued success of the all-new and Classic Ram 1500, resulted in a U.S. large pickup market share of 27.9% in Q2, up 7 ppts from last year. In addition, the all-new Jeep Gladiator pickup launch is exceeding our expectations with production already achieving full run rate. Although new to the market, the Jeep Gladiator earned a 7.7% share of its U.S. segment in June. Solid financial results in LATAM were driven by strong commercial performance in Brazil where we retained the market leader position. Our Industrial free cash flows were strong as well at €0.8 billion, though this was down €0.7 billion from prior year due to higher capex and Q2 payments of €0.4 billion related to U.S. diesel emissions matters accrued for in 2018. We have also taken a number of steps to further strengthen our fundamental business performance. Our leadership team was complemented with the addition of two members to our Group Executive Council recruited from outside the company. In China, we overhauled the leadership and structure of our joint venture. We also continue to strengthen business disciplines around our management of costs, inventories, commercial initiatives and product planning processes. In addition, during the quarter we continued to lay the foundation for future competitiveness and regulatory compliance, including securing local community support for the new Mack Avenue assembly plant in Detroit (Michigan) that will produce the next generation Jeep Grand Cherokee and an all-new 3-row full-size Jeep SUV; confirming investment in the Mirafiori plant in Turin (Italy) to produce the all-new battery electric Fiat 500; and adding key agreements with Enel X and ENGIE to a growing network of technology partners. In the second half of the year, we will continue to focus on the underperforming areas of our business, including Maserati, where we’ve reinforced our leadership team; and EMEA, where we continue to target increased margins through the impact of restructuring actions, better management of channel mix, and targeted product strategies. Based on the strength of our second quarter results and the initiatives put in place to maintain this momentum, we remain confident in our ability to achieve our full-year 2019 guidance.
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With model like Tonale they'll need both. I agree with you. And P2 MHEV FireFly should be just around the corner. Similar with 300+ HP GME. PHEV? That's interesting. In the near future we should not exclude even a 48 Volts plug in hybrids. We already know that in the very near future there will be 48 Volts P2 hybrids with an electric mode.
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It's important to note that Ford 1 liter EcoBust have an issue with excessive NOx emission. I would not be surprised if a 3rd party RDE test for 1.0 TSI shows the same. In any case with 500x and Renegade aerodynamic is an issue. They are both very tall and Cx is not at today's standard. That's something they must work on for the next generation.
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https://www.fim-cisl.it/2019/07/11/fca-bentivogli-fim-cisl-bene-elettrico-con-500-bev-a-mirafiori-accelerare-investimenti-anche-su-altri-stabilimenti/ Comunicato Stampa Dichiarazione del Segretario generale Fim Cisl Marco Bentivogli Fca: Bentivogli (Fim Cisl), bene elettrico con 500 Bev a Mirafiori accelerare investimenti anche su altri stabilimenti Oggi presso lo stabilimento Fca di Mirafiori, storica fabbrica della Fiat che compie 80 anni, è stata inaugurata l’installazione del primo robot per la nuova linea della Fiat 500 full-electric Bev, battery electric veichle. Un momento di straordinaria importanza perché segna definitivamente lo spartiacque verso produzioni di auto più sostenibili. La 500 full-elettric sarà la prima vettura elettrica del gruppo Fca progettata, industrializzata e prodotta in Italia che fa parte del piano di investimenti da 5.5 miliardi già illustrato dal Gruppo. Oggi, di fatto, avviene l’inaugurazione della linea di produzione, con installazione dei primi robot cooperativi Comau: 700 milioni di investimenti, 1.200 lavoratori coinvolti, che avrà il suo avvio produttivo nel secondo trimestre 2020 e produrrà 80.000 vetture all’anno. L’annuncio di oggi avviene dopo quelli della Jeep Compass a Melfi e l’Alfa Romeo Tonale a Pomigliano. Il debutto ufficiale della 500 elettrica dovrebbe avvenire in occasione del Salone dell’auto di Ginevra che si terrà nel mese di marzo del 2020. La sua produzione, accanto a quella della Maserati Levante, è una risposta importante alle nostre richieste sindacali per consentire il ritorno al lavoro di migliaia di lavoratori che sono ancora nel guado degli ammortizzatori sociali. È necessario accelerare gli investimenti anche sugli altri stabilimenti, come quelli di Cassino, Grugliasco e della stessa Pomigliano, per consentire il pieno rilancio del settore automotive in Italia, settore che da lavoro, nel nostro paese, a circa 250 mila lavoratori. Su ibrido ed elettrico Fca è in ritardo, ma la giornata di oggi è un importante segno della volontà di recuperare questo gap. Importante inoltre, la comunicazione di Fca su nuovi modelli di Maserati, a cominciare dal rinnovo della Levante e di altri prodotti. Tra il 2019 e il 2021, i 5,5 miliardi di investimenti porteranno, in totale, 13 nuovi modelli, insieme all’elettrificazione di tutta la gamma con 12 versioni, nonostante un contesto difficile, e un mercato ancora debole. Roma, 11 luglio 2019 Ufficio Stampa nazionale Fim Cis
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https://europe.autonews.com/suppliers/continental-targets-small-cars-new-fuel-saving-48-volt-hybrid-drive?fbclid=IwAR2ij37b6VWiQ4sVTOORZMTAFrAARfondO8D7D03VfDmbCx_B3NApVuYdhk The system consists of a new 30 kW, water-cooled electric motor positioned between the combustion engine and the transmission, and power electronics that Continental says have been optimized to handle higher currents and are more efficient. Even though the system is 48 volts rather than high-voltage, as in a conventional hybrid, Continental says it does not consider it to be a "mild" hybrid because of its ability to operate in electric-only mode. Executives would not provide range figures, but say they expect CO2 emissions reductions of around 20 percent, compared with 10 percent for a current 48-volt mild hybrid system. Lower CO2 emissions means the drive will also improve fuel economy. Top speed in electric-only mode is 80 kph (50 mph) to 90 kph (56 mph).
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