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IMO, Alfa could shot itself in a foot of they opt for Giorgio platform in a compact segment. It will be to expensive, to heavy, and most likely with cramped claustrophobic interior. Will there be next generation 500X, Renegade, Compass? That's where Alfa must find a reason or solution to build a compact models.

AFAIK Ford is using this:

An internal JL info sheet provided to one JLWF member may have just answered many key remaining questions about the 2018 JL Wrangler including: Sport, Sport S, Sahara and Rubicon pricing, 2.0-liter turbo engine fuel economy figures and a preview of several new and upcoming exterior paint colors.The info sheet provides both 2- and 4-door MSRP showing a price increase of between $2100-$2750 across the lineup. On the low end, the 4-door Sport and Sport S are priced at $29,995 and $33,195 respectively, and the top trim 2-door Rubicon starts at $36,395 while the Rubicon Unlimited is $40,195 — right in line with what we expected.If these prices hold true, it will be a big relief to many who feared a much larger increase after a JLWF spotted this JLU Sahara window sticker.The info sheet also reveals the JL’s upcoming 2.0L BSG turbo engine gas mileage to be 21/24 (city/hwy) MPG for both 2 and 4 door models.In another big discovery for potential buyers, the info sheet also provides a swatch of all paint colors (both at launch and late-availability) including several we have yet to see — namely, Punk’n Metallic, Sting-Gray and Ocean Blue Metallic.JL Pricing, 2.0L MPG, Colors Preview Shown in Internal Info Sheet – 2018+ Jeep Wrangler (JL) Forums – New Jeep Wrangler (JL / JT) News and Forum – JLwranglerforums.com (at http://www.jlwranglerforums.com/jl-pricing-2-0l-mpg-colors-preview-shown-in-internal-info-sheet/ )

Engine blocks are most likely identical. Both are open deck. And most likely they are HPDC. Teksid invested a lot in HPDC production in last couple of years. Most likely Teksid produces both GSE and GME blocks. About low revving engine? It's not related to long stroke. BMW B48 has even longer stroke, BMW N20 had similar stroke. So it could be achieved. I expect more from 350 HP version. Trenton has flexible engine line. Most likely they share it with some other engine or engines. So I presume there are some bottlenecks there. What a stupid phrase. "Wrangler must come from Toledo". It's actually funny to me because in the past Wrangler was also produced in Canada.

2.0-liter turbocharged I-4 engine The all-new 2.0-liter turbocharged inline four-cylinder engine with eTorque technology is rated a best-in-class 270 horsepower and 295 lb.-ft. of torque and mated to a new eight-speed automatic transmission. The 2.0-liter turbocharged inline four-cylinder (I-4) engine's torque output surpasses that of the V-6 engine offered in Wrangler. The all-new eTorque system improves fuel economy, launch performance, and driver comfort during start/stop operations. The eTorque system's hybrid functions include auto stop/start, electric power assist, extended fuel shut-off, transmission shift management, intelligent battery charging and regenerative braking. Both the engine and fuel flow may be turned off during stops, coasting or when the engine is decelerating. The all-new 2.0-liter I-4 engine features a twin-scroll, low-inertia turbocharger with an electronically actuated waste gate for exceptional responsiveness and performance, even while traversing over difficult terrain. The turbo is mounted directly to the cylinder head to improve durability. A dedicated cooling circuit lowers the temperature of the intake air, throttle body and turbocharger. Direct injection, coupled with turbocharging, enables more efficient combustion and increased performance. The 2.0-liter I-4 engine's fuel pump supplies the engine's 2,900-psi high-pressure common-rail injection system. These high pressures produce better fuel atomization and allow for more precise fuel delivery than port fuel-injection systems, which in turn improves both performance and efficiency. The 2.0-liter turbocharged I-4 engine is part of the Global Medium Engine architecture family and features Double Overhead Camshafts (DOHC), dual independent camshaft timing, and a cooled exhaust gas recirculation (C-EGR) system. This is the first time that the combined use of a twin-scroll turbocharger, C-EGR system, Central Direct Injection and the independent liquid cooling intake of air, throttle body and turbo have been employed together. This combination of technologies enables the high levels of performance and reduces fuel consumption.

2.0-liter turbocharged I-4 engine The all-new 2.0-liter turbocharged inline four-cylinder engine with eTorque technology is rated a best-in-class 270 horsepower and 295 lb.-ft. of torque and mated to a new eight-speed automatic transmission. The 2.0-liter turbocharged inline four-cylinder (I-4) engine's torque output surpasses that of the V-6 engine offered in Wrangler. The all-new eTorque system improves fuel economy, launch performance, and driver comfort during start/stop operations. The eTorque system's hybrid functions include auto stop/start, electric power assist, extended fuel shut-off, transmission shift management, intelligent battery charging and regenerative braking. Both the engine and fuel flow may be turned off during stops, coasting or when the engine is decelerating. The all-new 2.0-liter I-4 engine features a twin-scroll, low-inertia turbocharger with an electronically actuated waste gate for exceptional responsiveness and performance, even while traversing over difficult terrain. The turbo is mounted directly to the cylinder head to improve durability. A dedicated cooling circuit lowers the temperature of the intake air, throttle body and turbocharger. Direct injection, coupled with turbocharging, enables more efficient combustion and increased performance. The 2.0-liter I-4 engine's fuel pump supplies the engine's 2,900-psi high-pressure common-rail injection system. These high pressures produce better fuel atomization and allow for more precise fuel delivery than port fuel-injection systems, which in turn improves both performance and efficiency. The 2.0-liter turbocharged I-4 engine is part of the Global Medium Engine architecture family and features Double Overhead Camshafts (DOHC), dual independent camshaft timing, and a cooled exhaust gas recirculation (C-EGR) system. This is the first time that the combined use of a twin-scroll turbocharger, C-EGR system, Central Direct Injection and the independent liquid cooling intake of air, throttle body and turbo have been employed together. This combination of technologies enables the high levels of performance and reduces fuel consumption. 3.6-liter Pentastar V-6 engine The FCA US 3.6-liter Pentastar V-6 engine delivers 285 horsepower and 260 lb.-ft. of torque and now features Engine Stop-Start (ESS) as standard equipment. It is engineered to provide a broad torque band with a focus on low-end torque – an essential trait needed for extreme off-roading. An all-new six-speed manual transmission is standard on all Wrangler models equipped with the 3.6-liter Pentastar V-6, and a new-to-Wrangler eight-speed automatic transmission is optional. Known for its refinement, power, efficiency, and adaptability, there are more than five million 3.6-liter V-6 Pentastar engines on the road today. The 2018 Jeep Wrangler benefits from the popular V-6 engine's low-range torque, which is needed when out on the trails or whenever the conditions call for it. 3.0-liter EcoDiesel V-6 engine The 3.0-liter EcoDiesel engine will be available starting in 2019. Wrangler 4-door models will offer the 3.0-liter EcoDiesel V-6 engine, rated at 260 horsepower and 442 lb.-ft. of torque, with Engine Stop-Start (ESS) standard. A new eight-speed automatic transmission is standard and is designed to handle the increased torque output. FCA US engineers adapted the engine – manufactured by FCA-owned V.M. Motori – to meet the NAFTA region's regulatory requirements. Starting in 2019, the EcoDiesel V-6 engine implements new turbocharger technology with a low-friction bearing designed for low end and transient performance. The upgraded EcoDiesel V-6 engine now also features low-friction pistons to improve fuel economy, reduce greenhouse gas emissions and provide an enhanced combustion system – new injector nozzle, piston bowl, and glow plug with integrated combustion pressure sensor to optimize combustion.

https://livestream.com/FCALive/JeepPressConferenceLA2017

Half doors are coming for 2019 model year (first for the Rubicon and then for the other trims). Ecodiesel is coming for 2019 model year. Sky One-Touch Power Top features a canopy that scrolls back. Aluminum used on doors, door hinges, front fenders. Rear tail gate is constructed from magnesium.

https://www.allpar.com/news/2017/11/2018-jeep-wrangler-jl-many-improvements-same-look-38968

https://www.allpar.com/news/2017/11/2018-jeep-wrangler-jl-many-improvements-same-look-38968

Here are the official specifications and wallpapers for the 2018 Jeep Wrangler JL.ENGINE: 3.6-LITER PENTASTAR V-6 Available: Standard on all models Type: 60-degree, V-type, liquid-cooled Displacement (cu. in. / cc): 220 cu. in. (3,604 cu. cm) Bore x Stroke: 3.78 x 3.27 (96 x 83) Valve System: Chain-driven DOHC, 24 valves and hydraulic end-pivot roller rockers Fuel Injection: Sequential, multiport, electronic, returnless Construction: Aluminum deep-skirt block, aluminum alloy heads Compression Ratio: 11.3:1 Power (SAE net) (hp / kW@rpm): 285 hp (209 kW) at 6,400 rpm Torque (SAE net) (lb.-ft. / N•m): 260 lb.-ft. (353 N•m) at 4,800 rpm Max. Engine Speed (rpm): 6,600 rpm (electronically limited) Fuel Requirement: Unleaded regular, 87 octane (R + M)/2 Fuel Tank Capacity (gallons): 18.5 (2-door), 21.5 (4-door) Oil Capacity: 5.0 quarts (4.7 liters) Coolant Capacity: 10 quarts (10.1 liters) Emission Controls: Dual three-way catalytic converters, heated oxygen sensors and internal engine features Max. Gross Trailer Weight: 2,000 lbs. (2-door), 3,500 lbs. (4-door) EPA Fuel Economy mpg (city/hwy/combined): 18/23/20 (automatic); 17/23/19 (manual) Assembly Plant: Saltillo South Engine Plant, Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico ENGINE: 2.0-LITER TURBO I-4 Availability: Optional — all models Type: I-4 16-valve with direct injection, turbo charging, with throttled, cooled EGR Displacement (cu. in. / cc): 121 cu. in. (1995 cu. cm) Bore x Stroke: 3.31 x 3.54 (84 x 90) Valve System: Chain-driven DOHC, 16 valves Fuel Injection: Direct Injection Construction: Aluminum block, aluminum alloy heads Compression Ratio: 10:01 Power (SAE net) (hp / kW@rpm): 270 hp (200 kW) at 5,250 rpm Torque (SAE net) (lb.-ft. / N•m): 295 lb.-ft. (400 N•m) at 3,000 rpm Max. Engine Speed (rpm): 5,800 rpm (electronically limited) Fuel Requirement: Minimum unleaded regular, 87 octane (R + M)/2, 91 octane or higher recommended for optimum fuel economy and performance Fuel Tank Capacity (gallons): 18.5 (2-door), 21.5 (4-door) Oil Capacity: 5 quarts (4.7 liters) Coolant Capacity: 9.9 quarts (9.4 liters) Emission Controls: GPEC4 engine-management system with close-coupled catalyst; and wide range O2 sensor Max. Gross Trailer Weight: 2,000 lbs. (2-door), 3,500 lbs. (4-door) EPA Fuel Economy mpg (city/hwy/combined): TBD — automatic (2-door); TBD — automatic (4-door) Assembly Plant: Termoli, Italy and Trenton South Engine Plant, Trenton, Mich. ENGINE: 3.0 LITER ECODIESEL V-6 260 horsepower, 442 lb-ft of torque "More robust" 8-speed automatic transmission only Available on 4-door only TRANSMISSION: 850RE AUTOMATIC, EIGHT-SPEED OVERDRIVE Availability: Standard — 2.0-liter I-4; Optional — 3.6-liter V-6 Description: Adaptive electronic control or Electronic Range Select (ERS) driver-interactive manual control and electronically modulated torque converter clutch Gear Ratios: 1st - 4.71 2nd - 3.13 3rd - 2.10 4th - 1.67 5th - 1.28 6th - 1.00 7th - 0.84 8th - 0.67 Reverse - 3.53 TRANSMISSION: D478 MANUAL, SIX-SPEED WITH OVERDRIVE Availability: Standard — 3.6-liter V-6 Description: Synchronized in all forward gears and Reverse, multi-rail shift system with top-mounted shift lever 50% shorter throws Gear Ratios: 1st - 5.13 2nd - 2.63 3rd - 1.53 4th - 1.00 5th - 0.81 6th - 0.72 Reverse - 4.49 Final Drive ratio - 3.45 standard, 3.73 optional (4.10 Rubicon) TRANSFER CASE: NV241 COMMAND-TRAC Available: Standard on Sport and Sahara Type: Part-time Operating Modes: 2WD High; 4WD High; Neutral; 4WD Low Low Range Ratio: 2.72:1 TRANSFER CASE: NV241OR ROCK-TRAC Available: Standard on Rubicon Type: Part-time Operating Modes: 2WD High; 4WD High; Neutral; 4WD Low Low Range Ratio: 4.0:1 TRANSFER CASE: MP3022 SELEC-TRAC Available: Optional – Sahara Type: Full-time Operating Modes: 2WD High; 4WD High; Neutral; 4WD Low Low Range Ratio: 2.72:1 AXLES Front: Dana 30, Dana 44 on Rubicon models Differential Type: Open (Dana 30) or Tru-Lok electronic locking (Dana 44) Axle Ratios: 3.45, 3.73, 4.10 Rear: Dana 35, Dana 44 on Rubicon models Differential Type: Open (Sport and Sahara) with available Trac-Lok anti-spin, Tru-Lok electronic locking (Rubicon) Axle Ratios: 3.45, 3.73, 4.10 ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Alternator (standard): 160 amp Battery: 600 CCA, maintenance free SUSPENSION Front: Solid axle, link coil, leading arms, track bar, coil springs, stabilizer bar Stabilizer bar: Electronic sway-bar disconnect system — standard, Rubicon Shock type: Sport: Gas charged twin tube shock absorbers with full displacement Multi-Tuned Valve (MTV) technology Sahara: High pressure gas charged monotube shock absorbers with MTV technology Rubicon: High pressure gas charged monotube shock absorbers with MTV technology and hydraulic rebound stop Rear: Solid axle, link coil, trailing arms, track bar, coil springs, stabilizer bar Shock type: Sport: Gas charged twin tube shock absorbers with full displacement MTV technology Sahara: High pressure gas charged monotube shock absorbers with MTV technology Rubicon: High pressure gas charged monotube shock absorbers with MTV technology and hydraulic rebound stop STEERING Type: Electro-hydraulic Power Overall Ratio: 17.4:1 – 2-door, 15.6:1 – 4-door Turning Diameter (curb-to-curb) (ft./m): 34.5 2-door, 40.8 4-door Steering Turns (lock-to-lock): 3.6 -2-door, 3.2 4-door P/S pump: Electro-Hydraulic BRAKES Type: Power-assisted, anti-lock braking system Availability: Standard Front Rotor size and type: 12.9 x .94 (330 x 24) vented rotor – Sport 12.9 x 1.1 (330 x 28) vented rotor – Sahara and Rubicon Caliper size and type: 1.88 (48) twin-piston floating caliper – Sport 2 (51) twin-piston floating caliper – Sahara and Rubicon Rear: Rotor size and type: 12.9 x .47 (328 x 12) solid rotor – Sport 13.4 x .55 (342 x 14) solid rotor – Sahara and Rubicon Caliper size and type: 1.77 (45) single-piston floating caliper – Sport 1.88 (48) single-piston floating caliper – Sahara and Rubicon DIMENSIONS AND CAPACITIES Wheelbase: 2-door 96.8 (2,460), 4-door 118.4 (3,008) Overhang — Front: 29.2 (741.6) Overhang — Rear: 40.8 (1,036.3) Track — Front: 62.9 (1,598) Track — Rear: 62.9 (1,598) Overall Length (includes spare tire): 166.8 (4,237) – 2-door, 188.4 (4,785) – 4-door Overall Width: 73.8 (1,875) Overall Height: 73.6 (1,868.4) Liftover Height: 29.7 (756.4) Cargo Width at Swing-Gate Opening: 41.1 (1,052) Cargo Height at Swing-Gate Opening: 36 (942.3) Load Floor Height: 30 (762.1) CLEARANCES 245/75R17 (Standard on Sport) Approach Angle (degrees): 41.4 Breakover Angle (degrees): 25 (2-door); 20.3 (4-door) Departure Angle (degrees): 35.9 (2-door); 36.1 (4-door) Ground Clearance (inches): 9.7 255/70R18 (Standard on Sahara) Approach Angle (degrees): 41.8 Breakover Angle (degrees): 21 Departure Angle (degrees): 36.1 Ground Clearance (inches): 10 LT28570R17 (Standard on Rubicon) Approach Angle (degrees): 44 (2-door); 43.9 (4-door) Breakover Angle (degrees): 27.8 (2-door); 22.6 (4-door) Departure Angle (degrees): 37 Ground Clearance (inches): 10.8 CURB WEIGHT 2.0-liter (2- and 4-door) Wrangler Sport Automatic Transmission (lbs./kg): 4,010 (1,819) Manual Transmission (lbs./kg): N/A Wrangler Sahara Automatic Transmission (lbs./kg): 4,380 (1,987) Manual Transmission (lbs./kg): N/A Wrangler Rubicon Automatic Transmission (lbs./kg): 4,175 (1,894) Manual Transmission (lbs./kg): N/A 3.6-liter (2- and 4-door) Wrangler Sport Automatic Transmission (lbs./kg): 3,955 (1,794) / 4,200 (1,905) Manual Transmission (lbs./kg): 3,970 (1,801) / 4,215 (1,912) Wrangler Sahara Automatic Transmission (lbs./kg): 4,345 (1,971) Manual Transmission (lbs./kg): N/A Wrangler Rubicon Automatic Transmission (lbs./kg): 4,145 (1,880) / 4,455 (2,021) Manual Transmission (lbs./kg): N/A ACCOMMODATIONS Seating Capacity (front/rear): 2/2 – 2-door, 2/3 – 4-door SAE Total Interior Passenger Volume, (cu. ft. / cu. m): 103.7 (2.94) Front: Headroom: 40.7 (1,036) hardtop / 42.6 (1,083) soft top Legroom: 41.2 (1,038) Shoulder Room: 55.7 (1,417) Hip Room: 53.9 (1,370) Seat Travel: 8.1 (206) EPA Front Volume Index: 53.8 (1.52) Rear: Headroom: 40.2 (1,023) hardtop, 41.7 (1,059) soft top Legroom: 35.7 (904.2) – 2-door, 38.3 (974) – 4-door Knee Clearance: 61.6 (1,565.9) Shoulder Room: 57.7 (1,458) – 2-door, 55.7 (1,417) – 4-door Hip Room: 45 (1,143) – 2-door, 56.7 (1,440) – 4-door EPA Rear Seat Volume Index (cu. ft. / cu. m): 49.9 (1.40) Liftover Height: 29.7 (756.4) Maximum Cargo Width at Liftgate Opening: 47.9 (1,218.7) Minimum Cargo Width at Liftgate Opening: 41.1 (1,052) Maximum Cargo Height at Liftgate Opening: 36.0 (942.3) Minimum Cargo Height at Liftgate Opening: 35.7 (907.8) Distance between Wheelhouse Interior Trim: 45.0 (1143) SAE Cargo Volume: Rear Seat Folded: 72.4 cu. ft. (2.05) Rear Seat Upright: 31.7 cu. ft. (0.89) Total Passenger plus Cargo Volume, (cu. ft. / cu. m): 150.4 cu. ft. WHEELS Standard (Sport) Painted steel, Low Gloss Black painted Size 17 x 7.5 in. Sport S (Standard) Fully painted cast-aluminum with High Gloss Tech Silver Size 17 x 7.5 in. Sport S (Optional) Painted and polished cast-aluminum with Low Gloss Granite Crystal Size 17 x 7.5 in. Sahara (Standard) Painted spokes with polished cast-aluminum Size 18 x 7.5 in. Sahara (Optional) Painted High Gloss Technical Gray with polished cast-aluminum Size 18 x 7.5 in. Rubicon (Standard) Painted pocket with Mid-Gloss paint and polished cast-aluminum Size 17 x 7.5 in. Rubicon (Optional) Painted pocket with Mid-Gloss paint and polished cast-aluminum Size 17 x 7.5 in. TIRES Sport (Standard) Size and Type: P245/75R17, on/off-road, black sidewall Mfr. and Model: Michelin LTX MS2, Bridgestone Dueler HT 685, Bridgestone Dueler AT RH-S, Goodyear Wrangler Adventure AT Revs per Mile (km): 665 (413) – Michelin LTX MS2 661 (411) – Bridgestone Dueler HT 685 & AT RH-S 668 (415) – Goodyear Wrangler Adventure AT Sahara (Standard) Size and Type: P255/70R18, on/off-road, OWL Mfr. and Model: Bridgestone Dueler HT 685, Bridgestone Dueler AT RH-S, Goodyear Wrangler Adventure AT Revs per Mile (km): 649 (403) Rubicon (Standard) Size and Type: LT285/70R17C, on/off-road, black sidewall Mfr. and Model: BF Goodrich KO2 All-Terrain Revs per Mile (km): 645 (401) Four–wheel anti-lock brakes: Standard Electronic stability control: Standard All-speed traction control: Standard

Unfortunately Stelvio missed SUV of the Year award by a single vote.

Are you remembering one old avatar on Alppar? It was that car on it.

It's odd. Wrangler MY2019 is starting production around that date with Pentastar mild hybrid introduction. It's January 2018 for start of production for export. Or Cherokee. New Cherokee (they call it that way) will come into production on 2nd of January 2018. I don't believe they will wait so much for EMEA production.

But put anything vs Polo and it will have bad proportions and proportions are related to platform. Polo's width gives it a presence. But is it to wide for Europe? I don't like one thing. I looked at Quattroruote with Polo review. They said it could replace family compact. And then you have measured interior dimensions. It's no better than 12 years old Grand Punto except for width. And previous Polo was disastrous in interior space. But people buy it. I don't get it.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2017/11/14/new-details-g80-bmw-m3-emerge/ Hmh...

48V... The only question left is about electric supercharger. Is there one or not? That's an interesting part. And obviously Americans are or they will not be happy when they hear it. But truth is that European engineer is much cheaper than American. I also have complete trust in Italian engineering superiority even against Germans which are IMO overrated. But also the truth is that FCA has very big R&D spending. The part where Sergio is reluctant are industrialization costs. There are no new models. So... We'll see a lot of new models in the near future (2019-2021 period) or are they abandoning some brands in the future. I don't see another explanation and I'm not believing that Agnelli family is leaving automotive business.

Polo has two advantages which are good for proportions. It's shorter in height and it's wider than Argo. So it could look more sporty. But it's to much conservatively designed.

Ah, they are still using ancient automatics.

Its much before that for 4 door.