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3 minutes ago, iDrive said:

Questo è d’obbligo. E non mi fa paura.

So for example. It's OK if the all new Stelvio and Giulia are BEV only with no ICE at all? Even for US market. Hmh.

Future for Alfa Romeo is no good if you are a petrolhead.

Starting from a certain year all new Alfa Romeo models will be BEV only.

Alfa's future is very bleak.

On 6/22/2021 at 1:47 PM, aboutdas said:

In super-breve:
A/B - Small
C/D - Medium
E/F - Large

Ovviamente ci possono essere variazioni. Large può coprire il D, Small può coprire il C etc.

But the question is.

Which models on STLA Large will be built in Italy? Anything besides Maserati like Alfa Romeo or Lancia?

Or maybe Alfa's from C and D segments will be exclusively on STLA Medium?

In Bob's face. 😆

On 17/6/2021 at 10:15, tonyx said:

ma chi lo avrebbe mai detto che usare la piattaforma giorgio avrebbe migliorato drasticamente la dinamica di guida rispetto alla piattaforma chrysler di 20 anni fa derivante dalle mercedes anni 90...

Grand Cherokee WK2 didn't have such old bones. Actually they are shared with the last generation of Mercedes ML. So around 2010 or just 10 years old.

Usually it takes 4 to 6 months between production start of the new products from the same factory.

1 hour ago, davos said:

a me non dispiace per nulla. L'unico dubbio enorme è che è solo 14 cm più corta della 508 SW. Insomma è davvero molto grande. Aveva più senso lasciare le dimensioni della precedente.

Actually 508 SW is very small for a modern D-segment.

But in general EMP2 is not the best platform in terms of packaging. For example this car with 2.73m wheelbase should offer similar combined leg room as VAG MQB A1 with 2.68m wheelbase or FCA Small Wide with 2.64m wheelbase.

Today bonnets are very high which gives more of a "tapir" look. Part of it is due to Pedestrian impact crash test.

There are some technical solutions how to improve it, at least how to get shorter front overhang on a FWD car with transverse engine. One of solutions is to have engines with exhaust facing to rear so that engine could be tilted slightly to the rear. This solution was adopted by VAG on their MQB platform. This solution is also deemed as optimal by Bob Lutz who proposed it to GM and AFAIK GM adopted it last year. 

51 minutes ago, nucarote said:

Così VAG lo denuncia. 😄

Niente Leon, ma spero anche niente più Alfa Zagato, niente tapiri, e basta con le rielaborazioni di 147/156 specie al posteriore.

Tapirs are related to a platform. EMP 2 is excellent base for making tapirs. 😂

On 6/21/2021 at 1:39 PM, 4200blu said:

 

..non credo che la divaricazione della esigenza tra un Polo base e una A3 RS con piu di 400CV e TI sofisticato e piu piccolo come tra una 500L low cost e una Renegade Trailhawk. Certo, altra abilita fuori strada, ma molto piu forte e dinamico la RS o anche Tiguan R. Alla fine VW e in grado di usare una unica piattaforma, invece FCA non ha compiuto - fatto che sotto Tavares sicuramente cambiera.

 

Polo and A3 are not on the same platform.

24 minutes ago, VuOtto said:

 

Beh...nei piani di Piech c'era quello di fare della Seat l'antagonista di VAG all'Alfa Romeo...mi auguro che non sia Masonero a fare il contrario. 

 

Conoscendo abbastanza bene il gusto "pizzi e merletti" degli spagnoli (dico per davvero), mi auguro non faccia kitscherie. 

 

Masonero riporta direttamente a Ralph Gilles?

Unfortunately Maserati and Fiat Brazil are the only 2 Italian brands which stayed under Gilles.

2 minutes ago, __P said:

Hai idea di cosa stanno preparando in Maserati sul fronte BEV?

Ti rispondo io… NO! 😉

Ecco, eviterei certe affermazioni allora 😌

On BEV?

ZF sourced electric motors.

Just now, aboutdas said:

Ricordatevi che le nuove strutture STLA sono in corso di definizione ora. Il fatto che Medium sia "Medium" non implica che possa avere solo la trazione anteriore.

But internal combustion engine version will have, well, transversely oriented engine. And as we know for some time the real sports cars will have internal combustion engine. 

2 minutes ago, AlexMi said:

Large?

It's not sure yet.

10 minutes ago, VuOtto said:

 

che coincidono con quanto ha detto Domninique. "4 modelli già decisi, un quinto in valutazione". Quindi siamo a questo punto:

 

He was talking about US market.

4 models are there but we may add 5th and 6th.

Sports car for 2026 (see above) is planned of STLA Medium.

BTW, knowing what cars will be made in Italy I'm afraid that so called "D-Cross" (yet again, see above) for 2025 is based on STLA Medium.

Larry Dominique(Head of Alfa Romeo North America) in his interview said that Carlos Tavares asked him to implement Peugeot plan for US on Alfa Romeo.

First model planned for Peugeot in US was a long wheelbase 308 crossover, car which is small D segment.

I'm very careful with ex PSA. 

Brera was a very ugly car unlike Brera concept.

PSA wants all C and D segment Alfa Romeo on EMP2 v4 platform which was renamed to eVMP and now to STLA Medium.

For them sports EMP v4 is excellent for Alfa Romeo and suitable for Alfa's sports car.

Sad story of PSA's Alfa Romeo.

4 hours ago, KimKardashian said:

La MHEV, sono in arrivo Compass, Renegade e 500X

... Tonale, Tipo.

1 hour ago, __P said:

500X sconta il marchio che ha sul cofano, che fuori Italia non viene considerato oltre alla piccola 500 3 porte.
Vedi considerazioni fatte sull’Abarth congelata e sulla gamma motore via via sempre italocentrica.

Not exactly true.

At the time when 500X was at the top of the game, i.e. with broad range of engines, sales were 60:40 on the side of rest of the Europe. Actually there wasn't such Fiat except for the 500. 

People always forget one important thing about rational Fiats. Face of the Fiat outside of Italy is not Fiat Panda. It's Fiat Punto and it was always that way since the mid 90's.

5 hours ago, pennellotref said:

Autoline After Hours: Intervista a Larry Dominique, capo Alfa Romeo NA:

 

 

What did he say?

2 hours ago, __P said:

I nuovi modelli da destinare ai rimanenti stabilimenti italiani sono in fase di definizione, e solo il per AR ce ne sono 3 che presumibilmente finiranno a Cassino.

Poi in ballo c’è altra roba…

A

D

GX

?

STLA Medium rules.

What a nice way to kill sports brand.

Jeep Compass

Lancia C-SUV

Opel Grandland

DS 7 Crossback

Lancia D-SUV?