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But how if one is on STLA Medium while the other is not sedan or SUV which makes is unsellable in US. They must be prepared to lose money on a lot of models and for a lot of years if they want to make a proper Alfa Romeo image and have long term success. French do not want to take risks. Koreans with Genesis want to do it. Do not mention non sense of keeping DS bran and Lancia revival. Two very stupid decisions. And one important thing with Marchionne got right but Tavares didn't and will not. To play at the high level in the automotive industry you need to rise CAPEX. Marchionne in 2018 had a plan to rise CAPEX. Manley stopped it and Tavares said the same. PSA+FCA will keep combined CAPEX at the same level. Basically there is no progress with this policy.
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Are you sure that MHEV doesn't matter in US? I would not bet on it, especially about P2 MHEVs which in case of upcoming ZF can improve fuel economy by a lot at fraction of the cost. Here is the thing and actually it's FCA vs PSA philosophy. PSA electrification program is all about cost. Control production with production in house or through JV. Price is the most important. Performance is last in the equation. Explore limiter scope of electrification technologies. FCA electrification is or was all about added performance. Use best technology available. For example for RWD cars it's through ZF as supplier. ZF for PHEV and then later ZF 4th gen for both PHEV and P2 MHEV. Of course Maserati Folgore electric motors are also ZF sourced. We are facing difficult times for Alfa Romeo. I'm afraid of a widespread use of STLA Medium because there is no sign of a proper STLA Large based models.
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So this is the last model on CMP? In 2026 STLA Small should come. AFAIK CMP is not suitable for A segment cars. Actually even for classic B segment it's the smallest on the inside.
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None of them was an E-segment sedan. Both were SUVs. One was Tonale? Maybe but for sure it was C-segment SUV and even under Marchionne they worked on Small Wide fork for Alfa Romeo C-segment SUV. But under Marchionne they have a lot of plastic metal replacement projects for Alfa Romeo. Phase II and Phase III lightweight materials. Manley had pushed one Italian company out of car supplier business.
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Chat is about P2 or P2.5 MHEV 48 Volt. About MHEV which has electric motor built into a transmission. At this very moment I'm unaware that there is any car on sale in Europe with this technology. Most MHEV's today are belt driven or what is called P0. They are 12 or 48 Volts. And some have P1 MHEV 48 Volt system like Mercedes on their Inline 6 engine. Upcoming FCA 1.5 GSE/FireFly turbo DOHC will be mated to a Getrag/Magna 7HDT300 MHEV transmission. This will be one of the first if not the first P2 MHEV on sale. There is a also a high voltage PHEV version of this particular transmission. PSA has a JV with Punch Powertrain which is working on a fake DCT. I call it fake because it has single clutch so it can't be dual clutch. It's a P2 type and can be 48V MHEV or high voltage PHEV. It will eventually replace Aisin 8 speed transmission for PSA based products. But PSA is late with this project: As you can see SOP is planned in early 2023 which can be even mode delayed. Originally plan was to launch it during calendar 2022. 1.0 FireFly/GSE is using primitive 12V BSG/P0 MHEV system. It's not even close to systems mentioned above.
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There are only 2 reasons behind keeping French EB and EP engines over Italian GSE. One is total costs of switching production capacity from one to another engine family or from two to a single engine family. For cost part they should also calculate related electrification programs. Something should start from the beginning. The other reason is nationalistic in nature. They want to keep French jobs safe and because of this they will push with French engines. I would not exclude this way of thinking. As we already saw in South America GSE engine family won. So we can exclude engine cost as the reason although some ill informed forum members have pushed it.
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BEV is interesting because of less dependency on external suppliers and simpler production. And we both know how much mister Tavares likes cost cuts. MHEV? I'm afraid that French guys want to kill FireFly/GSE project in Europe. Yes, that was the plan according to FCA. But under Stellantis Fiat is a Core brand. Or if you prefer an entry level brand. 500 family of products is not an entry level.
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None of them is using a type of hybrid which will be used on 1.5 turbo GSE. P2 MHEV, electric motor embedded into a gearbox. It will be interesting to see how much will Stellantis charge for it. It was in the plans for all Small Wide based cars sold in Europe. This includes Fiat Tipo.
