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Fonte: https://www.media.fcaemea.com/it-it/jeep/press/la-nuova-jeep-grand-cherokee-2021-apre-nuovi-orizzonti-nel-segmento-dei-suv-full-size Grand Cherokee L Summit Grand Cherokee L Overland Press Release: Jeep USA Topic Spy: ➡️ Jeep Grand Cherokee L - Prj. WL75 (Spy)
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Jeep Grand Cherokee to hit Indian market in 2022! Fiat Chrysler announces $250 million investment The iconic Jeep Wrangler and next generation Grand Cherokee flagship SUVs would be locally assembled at the company's Ranjangaon facility https://www.businesstoday.in/sectors/auto/jeep-grand-cherokee-to-hit-indian-market-in-2022-fiat-chrysler-announces-250-million-investment/story/426981.html -
So... Something is off if platform is indeed PSA CMP. They've started CMP development much earlier than they stated. It's on CMP but will start production in 2023 or lateri It's based on FCA e-Mini platform Pick one answer.
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Fun fact: Italian and Serbian factories are the most modern Stellantis' European factories.
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Very hard to achieve unless more models join in and/or Jeep Junior is exported to US. Only 30k for Alfa Mini? Interesting. I think that potential is higher with properly engineered car. With a car which has Alfa's driving dynamics, steering response and feel. As @Davialfa said Alfa is not bout big and powerful engines, it's about handling, about feel.
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I think that some people would be more than happy with B-SUV which is FWD and has 1.5 turbo with around 200 HP coupled to a hybrid DCT which produces around 25 kW (34 HP). Add to that Limited Slip Differential (LSD).
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it doesn't exist it's your B segment SUV Pick one option
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CMP may be bigger on the outside but some cars on it are very cramped on the inside. I just want to say that eMini could be by far better packaged platform. Platform which will allow very spacious interior in combination with relatively small footprint. Global platform? Interesting topic I must say. PSA had failed with CMP in Brazil. In my opinion eMini could be much better suited for Brazilian market. Ford of Europe is very well known as a car maker which usually makes cars which are good to drive. It seems that Puma is not exception. Puma may not be Alfa's competitor but it's certainly a car which is good to look at for driving dynamics. It may be or is already used by FCA engineering team for benchmarking. PSA is working on 48V mild hybrid transmission but technically it's not a DCT although PSA is calling it that way. Actually they are calling it e-DCT although it has a single clutch. 1.6 EP engines can not be fitted to CMP.
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Someone told me that timing for PSA reskin is off unless they've started joint development much earlier than anyone knows. We are talking about production start in H2 2022. This is not about Alfa version but about all of three.
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PSA CMP is a FWD only platform. It's a ICE or BEV platform, maybe MHEV. No PHEV for PSA CMP. The next generation called Smart CMP will debut in calendar 2025 or later. FCA 1.5 turbo GSE should be P2 MHEV engine. It should be used exclusively in this form. It will be mated to a Magna 7HDT300 hybrid transmission which has integrated electric motor. Functionality can be similar to HEV. You say that you work for BMW. BMW has ordered Magna 7HDT300 hybrid transmission for their FWD based line-up. So I believe that you can explain to us how it operates. Yes, CMP on a technical level is a very poor platform. So hat off to a PSA marketing team which made a lot of people believe it's a modern platform.
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@lukka1982 Ford Puma you've said? 🤔 That's interesting. Ford Puma has very similar interior dimensions as Pug 2008 II. Second half of 2022 sounds like too soon for UConnect 5 and GSE implementation on PSA platform.
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CMP so far has come in 4 different wheelbase lengths for PSA cars. 3 of them are used for nominal B segment cars while 4th is used on C segment C4. 2.54 m - 208, Corsa 2.56 m - Mokka, DS3 Crossback 2.61 m - 2008 2.67 m - C4 For me exterior dimensions are not important. It's important how much leg room car offers. Will it go against Mokka, T-Cross and Arona. Those cars are now so popular due to lacking leg room. Or will it go against 2008, Kamiq, Puma and Captur. Those cars can replace C segment hatchbacks with leg room My understanding is that eMini (Wide) could offer much more legroom for 4.10 meters of car length than CMP.
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Here is not only talk about US but what brands like Jeep or/and Alfa Romeo represents. Without more evolved mechanic and with 1.2 Inline 3 with 130 HP as the top engine they will fail. I know only one premium car maker with B segment SUV. That's Audi with Q2. Just check Q2 engine list. Alfa always failed when they've tried to get after generalist market.
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There is no official comment from FCA on this subject. Actually FCA declined to comment.
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https://www.media.fcaemea.com/pl-pl/corporate-communications/press/fca-oglasza-nowe-strategiczne-inwestycje-w-fabryce-fca-poland-w-tychach
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Just imagine fiasco with the most powerful version of Alfa Romeo SUV having a paltry 1.2 liter Inline 3 engine with 155 HP. Jokes about Alfa wouldn't stop.
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PSA is producing EB engines in Tychy. I know a lot of people who would not buy Italian cars without Italian engines. Just sayin.
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Fiat in Serbia? Who said it?
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Alfa Romeo Tonale PHEV 2022 - Prj. 965 (Spy a pag.351)
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People forget that Carlos the 2nd is true successor and pupil of Carlos the 1st. He is the ultimate cost cutter. It's important to note that Carlos the 2nd had failed in both South America and Asia. His only success came in Europe. Part of success is a very low investment in factories. PSA factories in Europe looks ancient in comparison to FCA factories in Italy and the one in Serbia. But speaking about Alfa and even FCA platforms in general. Alfa never succeeded without top level mechanics. It will not be different with Carlos the 2nd. For FCA in general at least in Europe from what I know people will be unwilling to buy it with PSA engines. From what I see Carlos the 2nd could finally broke his teeth. I don't hide it. I want Luca de Meo as Stellantis CEO. -
Why to use inferior platform? PSA CMP is exactly that, inferior to eMini.
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Alfa Romeo Tonale PHEV 2022 - Prj. 965 (Spy a pag.351)
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I have 2 wishes for Tonale, 2 improvements in comparison to current version of Small Wide. Both are related to suspension. The first would be aluminium front suspension. On current Small Wide versions it should be made of steel. The second is rear suspension. Current Small Wide is using rear MacPherson. I would like to see rear multilink. It would help with habitability. Luggage compartment would grow. As you all know rear MacPherson eats a lot of space in vertical direction. All other is more or less fine on Small Wide. It has high torsional rigidity. Maybe slightly lower weight would help but I don't see it as disadvantage for Jeep Compass, at least not in comparison to Audi Q3 or BMW X1. -
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