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10 minutes ago, __P said:

Da quel che so io oltre a 600e ci sono le due versioni di Topolino.

https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barra_Panhard

22 minutes ago, Marco1975 said:

Mi sembra abbastanza chiaro che spingeranno la 600 con i 1.2 al posto delle 500x e tipo con motore base 1.0. Ma togliere il 1.3 Diesel è proprio da masochisti anche perché contribuivano ad abbassare co2 medio 

Ma quello che mi fa veramente incavolare è che alle aziende come la mia (la dirigo ma non la possiedo 😅) i commerciali stellantis hanno il coraggio di rispondere : ma dove è il problema, cambiate le 500x e tipo Diesel con le 2008 e 308 hdi… al modico costo di 20% di rata mensile in più. Li ho ringraziati facendo chiamare VW davanti a loro e facendo ordinare alcune decine di octavia SW e kamiq. Sono proprio dei co@lioni. Tengo Stelvio e Tonale perché sono alfista sfegatato, altrimenti non vorrei più avere nulla a che fare con loro 

For me here is the prime example of a clear push of expensive French products.

France is first!

They did a lazy job with ex-FCA'a CMP based triplets.

They even didn't bother to implement FireFly engines and UConnect to it.

They even have no shame calling 1.2 PuteDreck a GSE and an infotainment a UConnect.

I could agree that 600 is replacement for a 500X in a case that it's using long wheelbase version of CMP.

One problem, and for me it's a major problem or issue. Using VW T-Cross as a benchmark is just wrong. IMO benchmark should have been Captur and 2008 which are both sitting ona (significantly) longer wheelbase than their hatchback siblings.

For me 500X is a better designed car, both inside-out.

About some technical solutions and engine choices...

Good luck if it's PHEV... God save us!

In general I'm surprised by 2 technical choices. They only show how cheap are French/PSA.

The first is omission of the brand new GSE/FireFly engine family.

The second is lack of UConnect infotainment system which is arguably better than PSA's system.

For me there is no logical explanation behind this except that French are cheap and stingy.

Ah... And that old and problematic 1.2 PureDreck with 100 HP. Ouch!

So basically we have...

• French engines, both petrol and electric
• French-Chinese platform
• French-Chinese hybrid transmission
• French infotainment system (bey bye UConnect)

What's Italian or FCA's on this car?

This transmission is called 8F30.

Uno? LOL

Anyway. I'm deeply disappointed with all of these French cars. CMP is a compromised platform both in terms of passive safety and packaging.

Rear seat space/legroom is very small. CMP cars are big on the outside but small on the inside. I think that they are the worst in a B segment for this particular category.

On top of that we will get unreliable French 1.2 engine. 

7 hours ago, jameson said:

La G di GSE significa Global, dovrebbe essere successo un gran casino perché non fosse quello (a parte che non credo che potrebbero portare facilmente il Prince in NA in tempi brevi, e a parte che portarlo in NA significherebbe automaticamente il fondo delle classifiche JD Power).

I motori PSA verranno dismessi, il 1.2 è diventato un Firefly, del precedente restano solo la cilindrata e gli attacchi.

Delle quattro piattaforme, una forse sarà la continuazione di una PSA (Medium). Small è fatta in cooperazione, Large deriva interamente da Giorgio, Frame è fatta tutta in FCA NA.

You don't know what are you talking about.

GSE is dead.

1.2 PureDreck is 100% PSA project.

The end of Italian engines is near. Very sad news. 

On 7/15/2022 at 8:48 PM, 4200blu said:

Boh- su AutoMotor&Sport scrivono che la Q sara mhev con il MY

 

 

Actually the original plan was Nettuno for Alfa Romeo and of course as P2 MHEV (ZF).

DS as reference? 🤦‍♂️

This is 100% PSA project.

Very sad news.

I'm boycotting 100% PSA products so this one will not be different.

@aboutdas

Medium? Which Medium?

It's all on the Large.

On 5/6/2022 at 11:18 AM, Gengis26 said:

Bè anche i costruttori non vorrebbero le multe sulla CO2, ed invece ci sono.

 

Pensi che con le con 1000 auto di un'azienda si ripaghino le multe?

 

Concordo con te che è un meccanismo che va contro i gusti del cliente. Ma a Stellantis (come per tutte le aziende del comparto) interessa il fatturato.

IMO, it's all about politics. Just vote for those who are against this foolish European "New Green Deal" and situation will change overnight. 

Fleet CO2 reduction is nothing but a political decision.

On 5/6/2022 at 11:30 AM, Marco1975 said:

Già e a noi aziende interessa mandare fuori venditori per vendere e fare profitto senza investire in 50 charging stations e con rate leasing raddoppiate e consumo di elettricità superiore al gasolio.

Cosa è dobbiamo sacrificarci per far piacere a stellantis ?

 

Poi non si parla di 1000 auto. Imparato dice che metà delle vendite di modelli come tonale vanno alle aziende. METÀ chiaro no ?

Hearing Imparato and also Tavares I have a feeling that we are living in a parallel world.

5 hours ago, Beckervdo said:

Sta allungando la catena un po' più del dovuto il signorino, ma il motore è buono.

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/127907/puegeot-2008--

There were some engine block cracks which are related to some problems which are common to GDI engines.

Rear suspension attachment points look like on the Stelvio. On the other hand suspension typology is modelled after the previous generation Grand Cherokee.

Let's say that platform itself has a Giorgio as a starting point. No doubt about it. But of course it has some unique solutions which were necessary for a Jeep.

But even when platform will be called STLA-L we will see some unique suspension solutions for some products. At least it seems that way right now. Of course if Le Cost Cutter don't put his fingers into it.

On 4/16/2022 at 3:46 PM, __P said:

Grand Cherokee non si basa su piattaforma Giorgio US. 😉

Said by whom?

😂🤐

@Beckervdo

WTF?!