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October 11, 2021 03:32 PM
Stellantis will turn Turin factory into hub for EVs, Maserati cars
Mirafiori plant will be center for electrification

MILAN -- Stellantis plans to retool its factory in Turin, Italy, into an electric-vehicle hub, transferring production of two Maserati models to the Mirafiori plant.

The move is intended to increase efficiency and safeguard jobs as the automaker shifts to selling more electric vehicles.

Stellantis will assign Mirafiori a new electrified platform to build Maserati sedans between 2022 and 2024, making the factory, where the automaker already produces the Fiat New 500 battery-electric minicar, the group's center for electrification in Italy.

The Mirafiori factory is the historic center of Fiat, employing some 50,000 workers in its heyday in the 1970s when it used to produce more than 600,000 cars a year.

The plant currently builds the Maserati Levante SUV as well as the Fiat New 500.

Italian newspaper La Repubblica on Saturday reported that Stellantis could increase production of the combustion-engine Fiat 500 at Mirafiori by moving some volumes there from Tychy, Poland.

At Mirafiori, Stellantis will have one manufacturing process to make combustion engines, hybrids, and electric powertrains.

Maserati EV platform

Stellantis, which was formed from the merger of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and PSA Group earlier this year, will build the Maserati Ghibli and Quattroporte sedans at Mirafiori, shifting from the nearby site of Grugliasco.

One of the first actions will be to create a new electrified platform specific for Maserati, Stellantis said.

"Stellantis is working with determination and alacrity to anticipate and prepare for the energy transition of all its Italian industrial sites," the company said in a statement Monday.

The goal is to improve performance at the plants "to give this country a strategic role among the group’s main domestic European markets," Stellantis said.

Future production of the New 500 is also confirmed in Turin, the automaker said, after presenting its plan in Rome to the industry and labor ministers and unions.

No job losses

All 1,100 workers and functions in Grugliasco will move to Mirafiori by 2024 with no overall impact on jobs in the area, Stellantis said without giving details about what happens to the Grugliasco site after that date. Assembly operations will move immediately.

Grugliasco is 4 km (2.5 miles) from Mirafiori. Its workers have often moved between the two sites based on production needs.

The decision marks the end of full car manufacturing at the Grugliasco plant less than a decade after it started production of Maserati cars.

Stellantis said it will allocate more electrification-related activities to Mirafiori.

Italy overhaul

Stellantis' production in Italy has been under scrutiny for costing more than elsewhere in Europe.

Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares told Italian unions in February that production costs at Fiat's factories in Italy were up to four times more than at PSA's plants in France or Spain for a similar model, mainly because of lower-than-expected sales rather than high labor costs.

In June, the automaker decided to reorganize output at the Melfi plant in southern Italy, its largest facility in the country, on a single enhanced line that will merge two existing ones with unchanged capacity. It will build four medium-segment electric vehicles, for different brands, starting in 2024.

The company said in July it would build one of its three European battery factories in Italy, at the Termoli site, 300 km east of Rome. The plant currently makes internal combustion engines.

Italy's Industry Minister Giancarlo Giorgetti said in a statement that there was an ongoing "huge effort" to support the Termoli gigafactory initiative with public funds.

Italy's government has sought assurances from Stellantis that Italy will remain one of the main countries where it builds cars as the EV shift jeopardizes thousands of manufacturing jobs.

Stellantis last month finalized plans for Daimler to join its European battery venture.

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/stellantis-will-turn-turin-factory-hub-evs-maserati-cars

9 minutes ago, davos said:

Onestamente questa scelta non l'ho mica capita. Le phev stanno vendendo benissimo e sono anche diminuite come costi.Questa soluzione col cambio ZF dovrebbe essere ancora meno costosa perché il motore elettrico è inserito nel cambio. Con l'inasprimento della normativa sulle emissioni le phev in Europa ma anche in Usa saranno l'unica alternativa per anni a chi non vuole o può passare all'elettrico.

Scusa ma perché crysler? È un cambio che userà jeep e mi pare lo userà anche BMW

Chrysler as Chrysler LLC, FCA US.

They produce some of ZF 8HP transmissions called 845RE and 850RE. They are not used in Alfa Romeo and Maserati products which have ZF sourced transmissions like ZF 8HP50.

Even FCA US products are using ZF sourced transmissions for Hemi engines.

Alfa or Maserati never used Chrysler built ZF 8HP.

From what I can remember 1.6 diesel will have higher CO2 emission than 1.5 MHEV. 

24 minutes ago, __P said:

In pratica da new Giulietta in poi i nuovi lanci saranno solo BEV, mentre nel 2030 anche le auto che sono state presentate con dei termici continueranno solo come BEV.

I would not exclude further plan changes.

53 minutes ago, iDrive said:

A Giulia e Stelvio Ibride non ci credo...

Bene il 2.9 MHEV, spero anche nel 2.0.

 

Le Q dovrebbero essere solo BEV dal Kid in poi.

 

E Imparato ha detto chiaramente che dal 2027 Alfa sara solo BEV, non che i nuovo modelli saranno BEV, ma tutta la gamma, e non credo che faranno Giulia e Stelvio Ibride per solo 1 o 2 anni.

 

Poi l'E-SUV 7 posti di famiglia Alfa Romeo, ma chi se lo prende?

No. New models will be BEV. The whole range will be BEV after 2030.

Tonale's unveiling event is or was planned for this year. I don't know if anything has changed. This plan is around 2 months old. 

There are industries which are in need of old generation FABs. This is nothing new or strange.

7 hours ago, davos said:

Comunque interessante che i paragoni di questa auto vengano fatti con la triade e range rover. Credo che questa dica tutto sulla bontà del progetto. In realtà vedremo come la prezzeranno in Europa ma in Usa la GC avrà dei prezzi molto inferiori alle tedesche e a range rover. Si colla proprio in una posizione diversa, i concorrenti sono Ford Gm e Toyota. Magari nelle versioni più accessoriate potrà lambire il premium ma non è il suo obbiettivo principale. Tra parentesi io mi prendo questa al volo prima delle tedesche o di un Discovery.

I repeat it once more. Grand Cherokee was the most sold unibody SUV more expensive than $50k. That's premium market territory.

Let's say that the Grand Cherokee goes from Ford to Lincoln. It covers all markets.

14 hours ago, savio.79 said:

a proposito, nel configuratore cliccando sulla voce sospensioni, è scritto che le sospensioni anteriori sono MacPherson. Ma cosa si sono fumati? e questo non è un bug della nuova arrivata, è scritto anche a proposito della versione lunga che ha debuttato a gennaio!

It's technically impossible to have an air suspension and MacPherson combination. 

Tonale II is planned for 2028 or 2029 with the last FCA Tonale being produced in 2028 or even 2029.

Tonale II is planned for Melfi.

5 hours ago, __P said:

Dalla rete di vendita arrivano rumors, confermati da persone informate, che oltre al programma visto da qualche utente qui dentro mesi addietro, ci sono in ballo due modelli di segmento E, una berlina sportiva ed una SUV.

Questo dopo importanti pressioni su Tavares da parte di AR USA ed Imparato.

Le vedremo realmente tra qualche anno? Boh! Ma da quel che si dice, il nuovo management sembra voglia scommetterci molto sul marchio del Biscione.

 

Comunque tra 3/4 mesi presenteranno i piani industriali e vedremo cosa ci sarà.

Certo è che se Imparato vuol dare l’imprinting AR ai futuri modelli, dovranno lavorare bene su CMP/Small e Medium. 

From what I've heard Italian dealers were very dissatisfied with Alfa ala DS product plan. They are also not happy with Alfa BEV only plan.

Can't speak about US dealers except from what I've heard in general for all ex-FCA brands sold in US. They were dissatisfied with the first plan shown to them by Stellantis.

Speaking about Manley. He left Stellanits for a new job. How interesting... 

Good luck with BEV only policy outside of Europe.

Interestingly just 3 months ago they said that from 2025 all new models will be BEV only with 2030 being the year when all models will be BEV only

Not he is talking about 2027.

23 hours ago, __P said:

Che a numeri farebbero ancor meno… 😌

 

Comunque grosso modo si avranno:

- Tonale

- Kid

- newStelvio

- newGiulia 

 

poi dopo il ‘26

- Seg. C hatch 

- newTonale

- Seg. D sedan 

- Seg. E SUV

 

Dalle rinnovate Giulia e Stelvio tutto BEV.

 

I have a feeling that all STLA Large based cars may have at least MHEV if not PHEV option. It could be very important for the US market.

And it's doable on STLA Large. 

CMP platform for South America? Good luck with that.

There is no Lusso pack option for MY22?

Wagon without diesel? I mean... Renault has 1.5 dCi with 100 HP ready for this car or any other CMF-B car.

6 hours ago, __P said:

La SOP per le auto Stellantis dotate del 1.5 è dicembre ‘21 in poi se non sono cambiati i piani. Le prime a riceverlo saranno le Jeep di Melfi se non ricordo male.

October Renegade

December Compass

...

44 minutes ago, v13 said:

scusate, so che è già stato detto da qualche parte, ma non trovo più dove. Il 1.5 MHEV che tipo di "mild" è? So che è un 48V, ma si sa che tipo di batteria ha e come interviene?

Some would call it 48V HEV.

Electric motor is inside of transmission. Getrag sourced 7HDT300.

2800 in 6 hours? Whoa! That's almost 10% of planned production capacity per year.

43 minutes ago, Marco1975 said:

Concordo con tua riflessione però senza stellantis il piano sarebbe stato molto simile a medio termine (tonale e b suv) e forse meglio a lungo (Esuv e D coupé) anche se la gestione Manley e’ stata disastrosa. 
Dopo tutti i proclami di Tavares e Imparato inevitabilmente molti si aspettavano qualcosa di più e i delusi saranno legioni.

😂

I was saying that French will bring nothing good.

1 hour ago, nucarote said:

New Stelvio e Giulia "Cross" dovrebbero essere le ultime con un motore endotermico.

Giulia Cross? There is no such a car in official plans.

But you may have right. They still may end up with ICE although the original plan from 24.6.2021. says that they will be BEV only models and that all Alfa Romeo models should be BEV only by 2030.

BEV only

2025 new Stelvio

2026 new Giulia

2027 New C segment/Alfetta ?

2028 New C-UV / Tonale II

2029 Duetto

2030 New B segment / Kid II