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9 hours ago, arese86 said:
da quello che avevano detto il Maglionato e Wester tutto ciò che andrà su Giorgio sarà prodotto a Cassino. il suv grande, che dovrebbe condividere la piattaforma con Levante andrebbe invece a Mirafiori, il tutto secondo la logica di 1 piattaforma x 1 stabilimento
Who said that Alfa E-SUV would be on Maserati RWD platform?
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4 minutes ago, nubironaSW said:
Are you sure it is (the car in that photo) an FCA product? Kragujevac is the same plant of 500L?
I don't know what's in the photo but someone(from Serbia) said to me that next gen Freemont(yes, they used exactly that name) will be produced there.
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IMO, if price os Stelvio is slightly above of Giulia than Giulia SW does not make sense even in most parts of EU. I don't know price of base Giulia with 2.2 diesel 150 HP but I assume it's around 35 000 euros. If Stelvio is from for example at 37-38k euros than they will solve a SW "problem".
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17 minutes ago, giorgio said:
Cilindrata: 2143 cc Bore: 83 mm
Stroke: 99 mm
Same as old Mercedes OM 651.
Now more serious. At least we know why they developed aluminum block for 1.75 TBi. They are using it here on 2.2 JTD.
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More powerful versions of GME are planned as classic Dual-VVT maybe with dual valve lift mode. Take into account that this is a first time where we see combination of MultiAir with direct injection and that MultiAir system is probably somewhat different that the current one.
37 minutes ago, RiRino said:Ma non dovrebbe avere il blocco motore appartenete alla famiglia GME e quindi condiviso con tanti altri modelli?
A meno che su questa versione da 280cv e su quella ancora più spinta non abbiano fatto una versione specifica, closed-deck magari visto che la potenza specifica inizia ad essere importante, non sarebbe neanche una cosa tanto campata per aria alla fine, Mercedes con la A AMG ad es. lo fà.
Good question. I believe their intention was to have a 100% Italian product for Alfa Romeo. It's much easier to say that Alfa Romeo has parts from USA and with that harm its image. On the other hand with Maserati it's not so much issue their devoted US followers or nobs which still don't believe that Maserati V6 block comes from USA. But as you see with interior is different.
And have can you justify production of engine blocks in Italy? With that number it would be a financial suicide to opt for die cast. Sand cast it the most logical solution and Italians, especially Ferrari, have much experience and knowledge with it.
About closed deck block. This 2.0 for Alfa Romeo has around 140 HP/l which is the same as for newest Maserati V6. So this is a doable with open deck especially if you consider that I4 has less loses than V6 and that in many ways this engine is more modern than the one in Maserati.
But I believe there is more than one reason why we have not seen 300+ HP 2.0 I4 engine for new Giulia. I believe that one is 48V electrical installation.-
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This is mine understanding of sand cast vs die cast. It's not about power level like open vs closed deck but it's about price of production.
For smaller series you opt for sand cast aluminium block like this one. It's less money spending in the beginning. In that way it's a obvious choice for small series like For Ferrari or racing. Even for 2.0 TBi MA for Alfa Romeo we are talking about relatively small series.
On the contrary with die cast you spend a lot with investments. Than first series of blocks have many problems with leakage. After some time you got perhaps even less leakage than with sand cast block. And obviously with time and many produced blocks you save a money compared to sand cast method. Off-course that it's a logical choice for Tigershark or Pentastar when for some years we are talking about millions of blocks per year.
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2 hours ago, RiRino said:
It states:
Crankcase: precision sand cast aluminum alloy with cast in steel liners
Which is a quite interesting because Chrysler Tigershark is using a die cast block.
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22 minutes ago, RiRino said:Le indiscrezioni che arrivano dal Sudamerica dicono che debutterà nel 2017, su Mobi inizialmente monteranno il Fire perché il Gse non è ancora pronto.
Da noi il Gme debutterà con Giulia, sul Gse non ho notizie, la sensazione è che bisogna aspettare ancora un po' ma posso sbagliarmi.
From January 27th:
On page 15 it says:
New Global small and medium engine architectures (2016)
Don't forget that it was less than 2 months ago.
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11 hours ago, RiRino said:
In Sudamerica su Mobi,Uno,ecc..i GSE debutteranno nel 2017, imho prima del 2018 qui non si vedranno.
Not before 2017?
AFAIK official presentation from beginning of this year stated that two new engine families will debut THIS YEAR. I assume that those two engine families are GME and GSE.
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2 hours ago, T a u r u s said:
no....dopo l'ammiraglia segue il SUV grande....
1.Giulia (952)
2. Stelvio (949)
3. Full-size sedan (961) 2017
4. Full-size SUV (964) 2018
5. Compact UV (962) fine 2018
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Coupe/Spider (963) ?
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I just read my local edition of AMS. It goes something like: Details are not up to German standards, buttons are flimsy...
lol
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I don't see AMS opinion as to positive. It's correct and it's not unfair as some others but that's it.
As some of you know I'm from Croatia. So I will know translate from Croatian one opinion about new Giulia from Geneva and post some pictures. This guy drives Alfa Romeo but also has Audis in his family.
The materials are excellent starting with door panels, control panel, steering wheel, gear lever ... (it's on the A4 and A6 level) all inside is the luxurious, very fine to the touch. Three round buttons (DNA, multimedia and whatever the other one) is somewhat looser (possible that up habits from Audi). Climate control buttons are rubbed and are not quite at level of new A4 (not cheap but cheaper for those who reads this).
Overall, Gulia as a standing object is a great car, extremely elegant in the civilian versions with beautiful combinations of colors and materials in the interior. Too much talk about the position at the steering wheel is stupid after 5 minutes of sitting in a car, but it has a really lot of space inside, at the rear seats roominess compared to premium competition is more like at a car from class above .
Two interesting facts: almost all manufacturers showed cars with shifters behind the wheel, and while thos at Giulia are huge I would say that they are the best of those that I have tried (most premium competitors), they are made of metal so it feels great under my arm and "click" when pressing is finely expressed.
Another interesting feature is related to the integration of the control panel and infotainment display in one unit which looks phenomenal as opposed to say, E class where they put the LCD "TV" length of 1 m and a height of 25 cm which looks, at the very least, funny.
This is my subjective experience of objective reality after a day of walking and "groping" of these vehicles. You don't need to agree, you do not need to have a opinion like me, feel it, try it, drive it, and write your opinion.
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To much weight difference between diesel with automatic and manual. First one is Super+Sport which does not include seat heating or AFS. The later is Super+Lusso and in that way just 12 kg more than gasoline.
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That 2.0 Giulia on Auto Show has Super + Lusso Pack. AFAIK in Switzerland you must provide weight and fuel consumption for the exact version of the car. In that sense 1705 kg is not so much.
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9 hours ago, mikisnow said:
Mi sa che sulle versioni "normali" chi lo vuole dovrà acquistarsi un Quaife per esempio. Spero che sia come qualcuno ha scritto, Q2 meccanico almeno come optional. Farebbe comodo.
From Wester's presentation from Geneva all Giulias will have at least mechanical Torsen Q2 rear differential. QV is different with addition of torque vectoring in which they described as electro-mechanical rear differential.
9 hours ago, T a u r u s said:Per precisare Bigland aveva dichiarato che la Giulia 280cv fa il 0-60mph(0-97km/h) sotto 5,5"
No! He said less than 5.5 seconds.
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59 minutes ago, RVC said:
Mercedes lo fa senza problemi. Comunque si, è possibile.
Hmh. AMG engines, both 2.0 I4 and 4.0 V8, are closed deck blocks and later is similar to Ferrari's fashion sand cast.
"AMG" 3.0 V6 engine with 450 designation is at 367 HP and it's a open deck similar as Maserati's V6.41 minutes ago, RiRino said:Bho, rimango un pò dubbioso, più di 170cv/l per un open deck non dico che sia impossibile ma cominciano ad essere tantini, tutt' al più se hai un motore diverso che li regge meglio.
Poi se il v6 60° regge tranquillamente quelle potenze mi chiedo il motivo di fare un motore completamente diverso per la Giulia Q ed altri pochi modelli allestendo una linea ex-novo a Termoli.
Usually I have a good memory. What I remember from original story about Alfa Romeo V6 engine is that Maserati Levante is last Maserati without Italian V6 or if you like it better solely American V6.
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