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36 minutes ago, T a u r u s said:
Maserati Levante Diesel 275cv 0-100 6,9" 230 km/h
Porsche Cayenne Diesel 262cv 0-100 7,3" 221 km/h
Audi Q7 Diesel 272cv 0-100 6.3" 234 km/h
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I don't know if someone posted it already but I got some info about 500L restyling.
There is not so much changes on the outside. Slightly different front and back lights to be more in line with 500X and some other minor details.
Exterior is almost completely different, much closer to 500X. New instruments panel, central part for multimedia is much nicer and some talk about bigger screen as an option. The space between driver and co-driver is completely different. Seats are improved.
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37 minutes ago, HCM said:
Ma, qual è la differenza tra un punto e hatchback tipo.
Less weight, less length, smaller luggage, smaller wheelbase?
Meno peso, meno di lunghezza, bagaglio più piccolo, più piccolo passo?
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Batteries for next Town&Country?
Batterie per la prossima Town & Country?
FEV BATTERY FOR PLUG-IN HYBRID VEHICLE GOES INTO SERIES PRODUCTIONFEV development competence consists of batteries, controls, as well as complete drive systems
FEV has demonstrated competence in the development of alternative drive concepts for almost twenty years. Most recently, yet another plug-in hybrid vehicle has gone into series production with technology provided by the Aachen-based developer. In addition to using an innovative transmission concept which is based on a FEV patent, FEV also developed the battery technology of the plug-in hybrid vehicle to series production readiness. This cost-effective and reliable battery pack offers a capacity of 10 kWh and yields a pure- electric range of about 50 kilometres (30 miles). FEV was responsible as a turn-key partner for the development of the battery hardware and software, throughout the development of the overall concept, as well as for testing and validation. "We intentionally combined FEV's own developments with existing technologies of renowned tier 1 suppliers," explains Professor Stefan Pischinger, President and CEO of the FEV Group. "Thanks to decades of experience and a comprehensive benchmark database we were able to develop a needs-based technology pack with excellent series production readiness."
Experienced development partner
FEV has been operating its own electric vehicle fleet since 2010. The experience with this fleet and the comprehensive vehicle and battery measurement data which is continuously sent to an FEV server via mobile communication still represent key elements that are used in today’s development of alternative drives. In addition to about 65 electrified powertrain development projects, FEV has successfully completed about 20 battery projects over the past few years. In these projects, batteries were developed for nearly any kind of drive: whether it be water-cooled high performance plug-in hybrid battery or passively cooled pack for pure electric vehicles. "Our spectrum of competence consists of every phase of development, from the concept work and development of modules and battery packs to the manufacturing and testing of the battery and, eventually, the integration and certification for series production," says Dr. Michael Stapelbroek, Department Manager Hybrid and E-Mobility at FEV.
Mature battery management system
The quality of battery management system algorithms has as much influence on performance as the selection of suitable battery cells and an optimized layout of the overall battery. "The core system for the battery development is our own mature battery management system (BMS), now in its third generation, that together with optimized algorithms allows a very reliable and stable control of the battery," explains Dr. Stapelbroek. Thanks to its use in a variety of projects, the system is highly mature and very flexible with the capability to accommodate any battery concept. The BMS consists of a central control system, a master circuit board, and one decentralized measurement unit for each battery module, the slave circuit board. Furthermore, the BMS itself can comply with the safety standard ASIL-D as specified in ISO26262. The BMS was developed according to all of the current and common automotive standards (e.g., AUTOSAR and CMMI), and is well cost-optimized, particularly with regard to future series production applications.
Test facilities for batteries and complete drives
FEV has several cell and battery test benches worldwide for the testing and validation of developed battery packs as well as experience with series production testing for several well-known manufacturers, allowing FEV to be recognized as an internationally-operating engineering company that can guarantee a high degree of quality and series production readiness in its engineering developments. "Our additional test benches for hybrid powertrains are important tools for not only powertrain development, but also for the evaluation of battery performance in the overall drive system," explains Stapelbroek.
About FEV
The FEV Group with headquarters in Aachen, Germany, is an internationally recognized development services provider for drive and vehicle technologies. The company offers its global transport industry customers a complete range of engineering services, providing support in the design, analysis and prototyping for powertrain and transmission development, as well as vehicle integration, calibration and homologation for advanced internal combustion gasoline-, diesel-, and alternative-fuelled powertrains. FEV's competencies also include design, development and prototyping of innovative vehicle concepts, powertrain electronic control systems and hybrid-electric engine concepts that address future emission and fuel economy standards. The Test Systems division is a global supplier of advanced test cell, instrumentation and test equipment. The FEV Group employs a staff of over 4,000 highly skilled specialists at advanced technical centres on three continents.
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Tipo 1.3 Mjt 95cv - 1205kg + 75 kg conducente
Tipo 1.6 Mjt 120cv - 1270 kg a vuoto, 1345 kg in ordine di marcia (fonte scheda tecnica FIAT italia, appunto 75 kg di scarto)
Octavia 1.6 TDI 110cv Ambition: 1305 kg (meno della Golf? E vabbè...)
Octavia + 75 kg conducente = 1380 kg
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AWD test?
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Does anybody know dimensions of front overhang for Fiat Tipo? Vehicles based on FGA Small Platform has front overhang less than 88 cm long. Front overhang on Fiat Bravo is 97 cm long. I believe that Tipo Hatch will be around 4.25 m long.
Google translate:
Qualcuno sa dimensioni di sbalzo anteriore per Fiat Tipo? Veicoli basati su Pianale FGA Small ha sbalzo anteriore lungo meno di 88 centimetri. Sbalzo anteriore su Fiat Bravo è lunga 97 cm. Credo che Tipo 2v sarà di circa 4,25 m di lunghezza.
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2014-2018 plan, official presentation (December 2015):
Google translate:
2014-2018 piano, presentazione ufficiale (dicembre 2015):
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In genere le segmento E sono tutte midsized. Se non ricordo male anche la A8 rientra nelle midsize, ed è la macchina che hanno usato come benchmark per le Lx in Chrysler.
Strano, chissà 390/Charger dove tirano fuori quei piedi cubici per entrare nelle full.
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US specifications:
https://www.alfaromeousa.com/content/dam/alfausa/pdf/techsheet/usa/giulia/2017_AR_Giulia_SP.pdf
Official EPA vehicle class is a midsize. All other direct competitors are compacts.
Google translate:
Specifiche degli Stati Uniti:
https://www.alfaromeousa.com/content/dam/alfausa/pdf/techsheet/usa/giulia/2017_AR_Giulia_SP.pdf
Ufficiale classe del veicolo EPA è una di medie dimensioni. Tutti gli altri concorrenti diretti sono compatti.
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Nome da fumetto a parte, se fa bene in Alfa mi sa che sarà lui il successore di Marchionne (se Marchionne rimane fino al 2023).
Actually, if I want someone to succeed Maglione from American side that's a pro-bodybuilder Bigland.
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Qui davvero hanno messo il meglio del meglio: ID, MA in aspirazione e scarico (quindi EGR interno al cilindro), turbo, alluminio... Volendo 4x4...
No, MA just on intake valves. AFAIK that's enough for EGR with MA.
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La CLA 45 AMG ha un discreto successo negli Stati Uniti, e Giulia 4 cilindri e' più leggera di una CLA 45 AMG.
I see that you are avoiding to answer to my questions and statements. I don't know if it's about you technical ignorance or ignorance because of English language. If latter is truth than I ask someone to translate my post.
You can't compare CLA to Giulia. One is based on hot hatch and has transverse engine where they can't put V6 while other is in segment above and is RWD.
Negli ultimi anni molti offrono motori 4 cilindri da oltre 300cv negli USA, come la Mustang 2.3 Ecoboost 310hp(315cv) oppure la Mercedes CLA 45 AMG 2.0 375hp(381cv) che ha un discreto successo commerciale negli Stati Uniti
But Mustang has much less power than Mercedes and has 0.3 liters more capacity. Actually that 2.3 liter Mustang has slightly less HP/liter than 2.0 Giulia with 280 HP.
If you look at premium D-segment than all of them offer 3.0 liter V6 or I6 engine for more than 300 HP. Only exception is Volvo for S60 where they offer 305 HP (same engine exists as 320 HP for even bigger car) but with supercharger for low revs.
Now I will compare power and torque curve of 2.0 Volvo Twincharger, 2.0 Mercedes with single twin-scroll turbo and 3.0 Maserati with bi-turbo.
As you can see Mercedes engine is not even close at low rpm to Volvo not to mention Maserati. At 1500 rpm Volvo has 75 HP with 350 Nm, Mercedes has 55 HP with 250 NM while Maserati has 90 or 95 HP with almost 450 Nm.
For marque like Alfa that power and torque curve at low rpm like in CLA45 is not acceptable. But as I show it's possible to achieve decent power and torque at low rpm from 2.0 engine but not with single turbocharger. Thus I believe that 2.0 with 350 HP for Giulia will use electric or mechanical supercharger for low rpm.
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I think Alfa will buy either automatic or manual transmissions from external suppliers ZF and Tremec are the most probable .
I doubt about Tremec. It will be ZF but I believe we'll see a Getrag, at least for DCT.
No, e' twin scroll monoturbina. Dubito che sara' disponibile in versioni non Quadrifoglio. No la gamma di lancio e' quella sopra. 2.0T 200cv 280cv(depotenziato 250cv per mercato Italia) 2.2JTDm 150cv 180cv 210cv 2.9T V6 510cvSingle turbo for 2.0 with 350 HP? I know just one 2.0 gasoline engine with twin-scroll turbo and 350 HP and it's torque at low rpm is disastrous:
Someone can accept such a behavoiur of engine on hot hatch but not on premium D segment like Giulia. I also don't believe that FCA's engineers are magicians.
Alfa offre meno potenza di alcune concorrenti in due soli casi, il 2.2JTDm 180cv standard dove offre 10cv in meno di BMW e Audi, ma offre più coppia....e il 2.2JTDm 210cv ove offre 8cv in meno di BMW 325d 2.0 twinturbo 218cv e del 3.0(!)TDI Audi da 218cv, il motore di Alfa e' più leggero e meno complesso di quello BMW, quanto a quello Audi e' un 6 cilindri che pesa un centinaio di kg in più rispetto ai 4 cilindri...che non promette nulla di buono per prestazioni e consumo..
325d has old N47 engine with 218 HP but new B47 with 231 HP is ready and they already offer it in some cars.
Audi is proclaiming ~200 kg for its 3.0 TDI. It's impossible that 2.2 JTDm has 100 kg less because it will mean it has around 100 kg.
Also Mercedes is going to substitute OM651 with OM654 somewhere in next year.
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La realtà delle cose è che se al pubblico fosse dato l'automatico allo stesso prezzo del manuale, i manuali sparirebbero nel giro di un anno. Hanno migliori performance dinamiche, aumentano il comfort alla guida, aumentano la sicurezza di guida, e permettono di consumare meno. I cambi manuali rimarranno chicche per appassionati su pochissimissime versioni sportive...e nel medio termine spariranno anche li
Excellent point but I will add some technical info. I do not know but I believe that Alfa will use same manual transmission suplier(s) as BMW so in that respect it's impossible to see manual with engine which has more than 450 Nm of torque.
But all depends on price, at same price point I'll always choose modern automatic.
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It's easy to get how they achieved such a attractive price for Tipo.
They choose an unorthodox approach for European car manufacturer. You have three trim levels with no options with each of them, so no individualization. With that they shaved logistical costs.
Other important choice is use of naturally aspirated gasoline engines. Much cheaper to build than turbo units and excellent choice for car's price-point for markets without CO2 based taxes.
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Curioso di cosa faranno per la versione più spinta del 2.0 benzina, mi auguro che abbia soluzioni tipo la doppia sovralimentazione o turbo elettrico per avere la giusta spinta/souplesse anche ai bassi regimi, questa non è una hothatch dove la questione può non essere importantissima.
I think there are three possible choices but only 2 out of 3 completely eliminates turbo lag effect:
- Twin staged turbocharger
- Twincharger (turbo + supercharger) which VAG abandoned while Volvo recently presented 2.0 320 HP engine with this technology
- Electric turbo for low rpm + turbocharger, this is choice for the future and will be ideal choice for Alfa fro marketing standpoint for a brand which pushes many advanced technologies
- Twin staged turbocharger
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Dovrebbe essere una delle millemila declinazioni dell'8HP, a seconda del caso un 8HP45 fino all'8HP70 immagino...
We already know that FCA has a contract with ZF for 2nd generation of ZF 8HP. Exclusive period between BMW and ZF has expired.
ZF 8HP50 will be produced by FCA USA (with some changes to original design) and called 850RE while ZF 8HP75 will be bought directly from ZF.
E' prevista una versione più performante del 2.0T benzina da 350cvWhe we can expect that version and how they achieved 350 HP without noticeable turbo lag?
I see a 30HP difference between 2.2 JTD versions a little be odd. I expected more power from top version.
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Ciferri's articles are excellent when you need to go to a toilet.
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Hmh. AMG engines, both 2.0 I4 and 4.0 V8, are closed deck blocks and later is similar to Ferrari's fashion sand cast.
"AMG" 3.0 V6 engine with 450 designation is at 367 HP and it's a open deck similar as Maserati's V6.
Usually I have a good memory. What I remember from original story about Alfa Romeo V6 engine is that Maserati Levante is last Maserati without Italian V6 or if you like it better solely American V6.