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5 hours ago, Dallebu said:

Alcuni dati trapelati relativi ai 1.0 e 1.3 GSE:

 

1.0 3 cilindri, 6 valvole, Sohc con variatore di fase - Potenza massima 77cv - Coppia massima 110 nm

1.3 4 cilindri, 8 valvole, Sohc con variatore di fase - Potenza massima 106cv - Coppia massima 147 nm

 

 Those are numbers for ethanol or gasoline?

When they will substitute FIRE and E.TorQ in Europe? I mean if those are numbers for gasoline that 1.3 could easily replace even a 1.6 E.TorQ and due to torque figures it could be paired with 6 speed manual unlike E.TorQ.

http://www.automotivebusiness.com.br/artigo/1316/fiat-coloca-109-cv-no-uno-13-gse

FCA, por sua marca Fiat, corre nos últimos retoques na evolução do Uno, a versão GSE. Sigla de Global Small Engine, nova geração mundial de motores de pequena cilindrada. Começa com duas versões: 3 cilindros, 1.0 e projetados 80 cv, curva de melhor torque na categoria – a grosso modo torque move o carro nas cidades –, e 4 cilindros, 1.3 e a surpreendente potência de 109 cavalos – novo GM Onix com motor 1.4 gera 106 cv, e VW Gol 1.6 104 cv. Para comparar motores, veja quantos cv produz por 1.000 cm3 de cilindrada. Quantidade maior indica modernidade.

http://www.automotivebusiness.com.br/artigo/1316/fiat-coloca-109-cv-no-uno-13-gse

FCA, por sua marca Fiat, corre nos últimos retoques na evolução do Uno, a versão GSE. Sigla de Global Small Engine, nova geração mundial de motores de pequena cilindrada. Começa com duas versões: 3 cilindros, 1.0 e projetados 80 cv, curva de melhor torque na categoria – a grosso modo torque move o carro nas cidades –, e 4 cilindros, 1.3 e a surpreendente potência de 109 cavalos – novo GM Onix com motor 1.4 gera 106 cv, e VW Gol 1.6 104 cv. Para comparar motores, veja quantos cv produz por 1.000 cm3 de cilindrada. Quantidade maior indica modernidade. 

Brazilians said that production of GSE has already started and that it will be available in Uno starting next month. Article is more than 2 weeks old.

http://g1.globo.com/carros/noticia/2016/08/fiat-inicia-producao-de-nova-familia-de-motores-que-inclui-um-3-cilindros.html

1 hour ago, CuoreSportivo86 said:

Secondo me avrà il 2.0 Turbo della Giulia.

Anche perché se fosse stata la solita 1750 TBI con una diversa mappatura sarebbe uscita molto prima....

 

Comunque ci starebbe bene una bella 6C sfruttando la stessa vasca. In USA andrebbe a ruba.

IMO only 350 HP version of GME makes sense inside of 4C QV.

1 hour ago, alederme said:

 

si parlava anche di uno step a 330/350cv ad ogni modo sarebbe come dici tu

anche se poi la serie4 pesa un 50kg più della serie3, speriamo che Alfa non cada un questo errore

 

 Series 4 GC weighs more than Series 3. Series 4 weighs less than Series 3.

350 HP versions of GME is certain for USA. 

Stelvio production is almost 100% prepared. It's not question can they produce it, it's a question when they want to start production. 

IMO, Alfa needs to maximum exploit presence of electrical turbocharger via their marketing.  

Electrical superchargers needs a 48V electrical installation. As I said numerous times before. I expected electrical supercharger with 48 V on 350 HP version of GME.

41 minutes ago, domby said:

Su Quattroruote di Agosto c'è la prova completa

☏ ALE-L21 ☏

 
Vmax, 0-100 km/h, peso?

1 hour ago, alederme said:

 

tanto è vero che audi fece una A6 lwb solo per la cina, perchè la A6 normale gli pareva piccina.

Chinese people are very well known as very tall. 

In Germany 2.2 Diesel1 6V 110kW (150PS) AT8 SUper and 2.0 Turbo 16V 147kW (200PS) AT8 Super have identical price of 38 150 euros. 180 HP diesel with AT8 is 1 500 euros more.

There is no sense in LA unveiling. It will be in Paris because Paris and LA auto shows are close together. Even Levante which also has primarily market in US had first unveiling in Geneva and then in NY.

Highly unlikely that next gen Freemont will use RWD platform. IMO it wil be on SUSW whether it's more C or D segment crossover. For me it's also very likely that we will have two versions of it in similar fashion as new VW Tiguan. Short wheelbase 5 seats model on same version of platform as a Jeep Compass. Long wheelbase model with 5 or 7 seats, maybe same base as future Chrysler D-CUV.

4 minutes ago, TurboGimmo said:

Italian magazine Quattroruote, some years ago, said that new Bravo will be a crossover (this was said in 2010 I think).

 

Now, consider that in Eu the city-suv or crossover are trendy, is it possible that the new Freemont/Bravo will be something similar to Mercedes GLA?

 

This "Journey" is not a successor of the current one. It will most certain bear a different name.

Journey's position and North American market will take upcoming Chrysler brand crossover. Maybe we will see a Fiat twin.

IMO, FIAT 500X is something similar to Mercedes GLA and the people who are buying it are usually same who are buying Golf.

Maybe there is no other vehicle on Giorgio from US part of FCA before 2020 or even 2021? In that case it's not reasonable to make Dodge D-SUV in USA which will be 2019 model year and they could be even make it from first half of 2018. That timeframe is very close to next generation Giulietta. Could this car use a space in Cassino which is now occupied by Giulietta? We are talking about car which will most probably be sold at a ~100k rate in US at best.

For future generation of what in USA are called a 'L' cars are planed twin turbo V6 engines based on current Pentastars. IMO they will use full 3.6 liters of capacities if not more to achieve goal of >500 HP. So no HEMI for them.

Those cars will be based on Giorgio 

But you guys must understand that it's not important if engine is V6 or V8. What matters is engine length.

Just take a look at Maserati V6 block built by Chrysler and more compact Alfa V6 block built by Mazzucconi(both have same bore dimensions):

1 hour ago, stev66 said:

It is important to keep in mind that this car, as Renegade and Cherooke, is principally thought for US and China markets. Today , sell numbers show that this way is the right way. In Italy we have a byword : "Squadra vincente non si cambia"  ( a rough translation is "Never change a winning team" )

OK, but this segment is on rise in Europe. And every time I look at that interior I see a Hyundai and Hyundai for me means a cheap car with very cheap interior.

1 hour ago, RVC said:

Interni purtroppo troppo americani per un marchio con ambizioninpremium globali. Sembrano un riciclo della plancia di Dart e 200 (e facevano abbastanza pena entrambe). Venderà molto bene negli USA, ma prevedibilmente meno altrove. 

Speriamo che il genio degli interni che hanno spedito a Torino non faccia danni simile negli altri marchi. 

I'm also disappointed to see this. One guy when he saw a pictures said: "Oh, it looks more worse than Tipo's interior based on pictures".

I really don't know why they keep with this Americanization and vertical air vents. For me there is a no problem with HVAC controls but with styling, with final execution.

Just now, nubironaSW said:

 

Hi Guy! you put this and... is it a real p.shop? @Bare thanks for all...

 Sincerely I do not know but from what I heard it contains all design elements of final product. IMO, if it's a PS than it's the closest to real thing.

No 350 HP for EU and not with RWD? It's a very strange decision. 

4 hours ago, goose2013 said:

finalmente un discorso sensato , quando io parlavo di telaio derivato e' tutti ha negare la cosa .

ovvio che un telaio di una auto si evolve nel tempo e passando le varie generazioni cambia le sue caratteristiche , ma e' raro che una casa automobilistica , visto le economie di scala che comunque adotta metta in produzone un telaio totalmente creato dal nulla , una base di partenza deve avercela persino il rinomato mqb e le successive versioni sono comunque derivati da telai e pianali antecedenti.

Don't let them to mislead you. Giulia is further development of Alfa 6. 

Croatian police:


After many years of Škoda Octavia as a 1st choice there is a rumor they will opt for different option for next lease. Some were talking about Ford. But maybe FIAT overtook them all.

8 hours ago, max_pershin said:

 

 

Buyers of SW in US/Canada first of all are looking for a style. They do not care at all about trunk size (except Volvo buyers). For them is is a chance to have a car with attractive/sporty shape, with low center of gravity.
Do you think E63 AMG Wagon buyers need trunk size?

I don't care less for US. But certainly those people are styles.