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From media:

Dodge Barracuda convertible, next-gen Charger among surprises for FCA dealers in Las Vegas

Up to 30 new or refreshed products coming within 2 years, they're told

The next-generation Dodge Charger, which resembles the 1999 concept (pictured here), will be based on the flexible rear-wheel-drive platform designed for the return of the Alfa Romeo Giulia, company executives told dealers.

Fiat Chrysler dealers meeting in Las Vegas on Tuesday were wowed by a parade of new products coming to their dealerships, including a Dodge Barracuda convertible and a swoopy next-generation Dodge Charger said to resemble a popular 1999 concept designed by Tom Gale.

Also in the mix, the next-generation Jeep Wrangler that, according to one dealer, “stays pretty true to its current form,” as well as a Jeep Grand Wagoneer luxury SUV with seating for eight.

The long-rumored Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT Track Hawk -- which is to be powered by FCA’s 6.2-liter supercharged Hellcat V-8 engine -- also was shown. Dealers were told that the all-wheel-drive Track Hawk would have a 0-to-60 mph time of 3.5 seconds. Not shown was a Jeep Wrangler-based pickup.

The dealer meeting, which was closed to the media, took place at Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino on the Las Vegas Strip. It included addresses from FCA’s multiple brand heads as well as remarks by CEO Sergio Marchionne.

The Barracuda convertible and next-generation Dodge Charger will be based on the flexible rear-wheel-drive platform designed for the return of the Alfa Romeo Giulia, which was first shown in Italy in June. It is part of FCA’s roughly $6 billion investment to resurrect and grow the Alfa Romeo brand to 400,000 units worldwide by 2018.

An Alfa Romeo SUV based on the platform was also shown to dealers.

Several dealers, speaking anonymously, were told that they would see as many as 30 new or refreshed products on their lots within the next two years. The next-generation Charger was especially well-received by dealers, dealers told Automotive News.

Also shown to dealers were coming Alfa Romeo and Maserati models, as well as a regular and Abarth performance version of the Mazda-made Fiat 124 Spider.

In his remarks, Marchionne sought to allay fears about how his call for industry consolidation would affect auto retailers, including FCA’s 2,600 dealerships in the United States.

He said efforts to merge FCA with another automaker was “not a slash-and-burn strategy.” Marchionne also assured dealers that a potential merger would not impact its brands, would not reduce the size of its manufacturing workforce and “does not require a rationalization of the distribution network.”

A potential merger, Marchionne said, “will not have an impact” on dealers, but instead will create a way “to strengthen the competitive position of the companies involved.”

Dealers gave Marchionne a standing ovation.

http://www.autonews.com/article/20150826/OEM04/150829921/dodge-barracuda-convertible-next-gen-charger-among-surprises-for-fca

A quelli di Allpar non è che gli freghi poi molto delle nuove Alfa mediamente*,o meglio,gliene frega sempre in ottica di modelli dei marchi americani,del tipo:

''Ah interessante la nuova Giulia...devono utilizzarla come base per la Dart,sarebbe fighissima!!!''

Hahahaha.

They are very offensive on Allpar. I mean some users back there. And all that is tolerated by moderators. They have very nazi-like stance.

And after all of their bashing it seems that new models for them are coming.

If I need to guess platforms.

modified CUSW - Chrysler minivan and CUV

new RWD platform - 'Cuda, Charger, Grand Wagoneer

@ RVC

You men this:

Ok so lots of news from the dealer show, some unexpected stuff, stuff we kinda knew was coming and confirmation of other things discussed here. They were told everything shown is 12-24 months out from being on the lots.

Jeep

1. Grand Wagoneer is official as expected and will be going after Land Rover.

2. Wrangler was shown at the end of the show, SM specifically mentioned that it will get at least 30 mpg(diesel, but wasn't specifically mentioned) was announced as a 2017.

3.Grand Cherokee Trackhawk- 700 hp, AWD Hellcat powered, 0-60 in under 3 seconds(2.7).

4. New Subcompact Jeep was shown.

5. New Compass is based off the Renegade platform and looks like a mix of the current version and the Grand Cherokee.

Chrysler

1. New SUV/CUV that's bigger than the Durango(possibly shared with the Grand Wagoneer)

2. T&C- plug in hybrid confirmed, much simpler stow and go. As expected the Grand Caravan is done in the US. It will continue on in Canada and the rest of the world.

Ram

1. New Power Wagon, apparently much more focused than the current model

2. They showed the 2018 Ram and I was told it's going to be a game changer. I'm trying to get more details.

Dodge

1. Durango SRT is official. 6.4 RWD

2. They showed the next gen Charger, much more streamlined and takes cues from the 99 Charger R/T concept

3. They showed a street legal Challenger Drag car with some version of the Hellcat making more than 707.

4. Showed the Dart refresh, no SRT version. AWD will be an option. 300 HP engine will be optional across ALL trim levels. Basically you will be able to get the performance with whatever level of equipment you want instead of having to pay for a R/T or SRT.

5. Brand new Cuda coupe and convertible, smaller than the Challenger with modern styling.

My eyes didn't stay for the Fiat part since they don't sell them. He did say that the Giulia was there and looks awesome.

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Se queste fossero le dimensioni esatte, vorrebbe dire che hanno detto una minchiata/balla durante la presentazione

O che non conoscono nemmeno le dimensioni delle concorrenti.

Mi riferisco al passo, in particolare.

I'm shocked because I expected it will have a longest wheelbase in class. And not only that I expected that but in press material they stated it has longest wheelbase in category.

World preview of the Alfa Romeo Giulia - Press Releases - Fiat Chrysler Automobiles EMEA Press

All this translates into a very generous wheelbase - the longest in its category - but contained in one of the most compact bodies.

Does anybody know weight of manual C635 and weight of DDCT C725?

sembra quasi una vitara

Fortunately much larger than Vitara.

Un mix fra cherokee e gran cherokee, ma per fortuna sia frontale che portellone sono più simili al secondo che al primo

It would be weird if they are following Cherokee design language. On the other hand, mini Grand Cherokee design language is safe bet even here in Europe. I'm still wondering about dimensions but here on last pictures it seems huge, but maybe it's somewhat lower than last Jeep models.

La cosa più strana è che dovrebbe debuttare verso metà 2016 e gira già su carrozzeria definitiva(e neanche camuffata pesantissimamente).

It was planned to start sell in Q2 next year. I don't know if they changed plans.

A ottobre c'è l'evento a Las Vegas per i concessionari e gli fanno vedere delle cosucce. Magari alcune le spediscono la, poi le altre a Detroit per alcuni test, altre in Arizona, ecc, ecc.

per una volta che fanno prima

Didn't some guy said that Wagoneer will be showed to Jeep dealers?

Concordo, però le versioni hatchback e sw credo siano pensate più che altro per l'Europa occidentale,per cui alla fine credo abbiano tenuto conto non solo di quei mercati nel progetto.

They plan to produce 100k sedans per year and in Turkey they sold slightly above 30k Lineas per year. So obviously they are going to sale other 70k somewhere. That somewhere are eastern EU markets and some western markets where sedans are popular like Germany or Spain. If I remember correctly past interviews they said that they will sell sedan in Germany and Spain but surely not in France or maybe Italy.

Il Fire non era predisposto per il montaggio longitudinale,potrebbero averlo adattato,si è visto nel cofano di un vecchio mulo,ma potrebbe non voler dire nulla...oppure potrebbero metterci un 4 cil della nuova famiglia modulare(e sul vecchio mulo potrebbero aver adattato il Fire perchè il nuovo motore non era ancora pronto al 100%).

FIRE is near of end of life. They started Small Gasoline Engine (SGE) at least back in 2011. IMO, we can expect SGE very soon.

You are right. The only press release, up to now, states "the longest wheelbase" as you said. However, this could also mean 285cm considering what has C-class.

I forgot Infiniti Q50 with 285 cm.

Qualche pagina addietro mi sembra che MacGeek ventilasse un passo più vicino a quello ricavato da savio che ha lavorato di computer (e quindi intorno ai 282cm) piuttosto che a quello misurato al museo tra la folla e con le pistole puntate:)

Did you read press release? It states Giulia has the longest wheelbase in its class without stating how much it is. So if we know that C-class had a longest wheelbase with 284 cm we know that Giulia has longer wheelbase than that. RCV is correct when saying that Giulia's wheelbase is 287-288 cm territory.

Salon Francfort 2015 : Alfa Romeo Giulia

Avec ses 4,73 mètres de long posés sur la nouvelle plate-forme Giorgio...

So they said Giulia is 4.73 meters long?

Yes, all Pratola Serra engines have 90mm spacing. About the FIREs, I think the 77mm spacing is used only up to 1.2L versions. The 1.4L should have a bigger spacing, but I'm not sure.

http://www.ukintpress-conferences.com/uploads/SPEXNA11/Day1_7_David_Schmidt.pdf

In that document it's said that 1.4 liter FIRE has 77 mm bore spacing.

So boring, so old design. Nothing new with VAG products.

Attenzione che il motore Tigershark ha lo scarico posteriore, mentre questo GME ha lo scarico frontale (facendo riferimento alla disposizione trasversale)

No,anche il Tigershark/GEMA/WGE ha lo scarico anteriore

I thought that they changed postion of intake and exhaust when they updated GEMA to Tigershark?

Il motore GEMA è una buona base ma sicuramente non sportivo.

Maybe it's a good block but it's huge with 96 mm bore spacing. If I'm correct Pratola has 90 mm bore spacing while FIRE is extremelly compact with 77 mm.

I'm also not sold on idea for big 2.4 I4. I would much rather see 2.5 I5.

Intendo questa, apparsa sul numero di Giugno di Quattroruote.

Non sanno cosa sia (a me sembra tanto un Photoshop sinceramente), in compenso mi fa strano la posizione delle pinze dei freni dei sul lato anteriore...

NB (appena avremo capito di cosa si tratta cancellerò la foto, così non avremo problemi col copyright)

Did they said that Maserati Alfieri is dead?

I think they did a remarkable job with this engine regarding fuel consumption in such a big and heavy vehicle. Fuel consumption is on par with renewed VW Tiguan with 184 HP 2.0 TDI and 7 speed DSG and that VW is weighing about 300 kg less.

I expect that 2.0 Multijet will be updated to 2000 bar CR system and be bored out to 93.8 mm.

I think this will be almost impossible.... perhaps we will see the ZF, but paired with 1.6/2,0 JTD engines ( 120/140 HP ) .

It's not impossible. It's a matter of will from FIAT's side.

Maybe I wasn't clear. I want see this car with 2.2 JTD under Abarth badge to take on Škoda Octavia diesel vRS.

What's downsizing? For me it's anything which results in less vehicle weight and with less fuel consumption. They way to achieve that is irrelevant.

I would like to see a new 2.2 JTD in this one paired with ZF 9HP.

Regarding new engine. Didn't someone told it's (Pratola) unsuitable for longitudinal application? If it is than they can make 1.6 and 2.0 JTD for longitudinal application.

Anche questo è vero,però bho,i piezo mi pare arrivino a pressioni anche più alte(anche se 2000bar non sono pochi,i solenoide del 2.0 mi pare arrivavano a 1600) e giustamente sono un pò più silenziosi,mi pare che tutte le premium concorrenti usano i piezo.

Didn't BMW with B47 switched to solenoid injectors for all single turbo versions?

ancora una volta, complimenti alla comunicazione FCA

sembra quasi si vergognino a dire che hanno roba nuova...

I don't know why they have so weak press office. If this is VAG news it will be screaming in all newpapers and web portals.

I due bracci della sospensione posteriore sembrano definitivi, a differenza di quelli dell'altra foto dove si scorgeva la sospensione posteriore che mi sembravano ancora prototipali.

Is that just me or it seems that suspension travel is very limited?

La A4 ha una sospensione anteriore a quadrilateri alti "compositi" molto raffinata, fin dal 2000 (non ricordo il nome esatto he gli hanno dato). Anche a livello estetico è roba da usare come soprammobile.

Didn't call it 4-link suspension? It' essential for Audi to eliminate torque steering.

I expect aluminium for Giulia at least for doors, fronte and back of the car. That will significantly reduce weight of the vehicle while retaining of good NVH properties thanks to steel body. Full Aluminium body like in new Jaguar is mostly nthing more than a good marketing because you loose weight gains with more usage of isolation if you want to achieve good NVH.

CFRP roof will be just icing on the cake for new Giulia and will be excellent fit in goal to have more centered and more down mass distribution.

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