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4 hours ago, __P said:

E a Melfi almeno il 1.6 ci sarà a scaffale.

Yes, but 1.6 comes only as PHEV, not as MHEV.

STLA Medium as 1.6 LHEV is overweight, around 1900 kg I think. And that's as P2 PHEV, P2P4 or P4 would be even heavier.

New Stelvio is most likely around 4.85m in length 

Speaking about powertrains.

1.2 PureDreck?

All other are expected to be blue whales. Very much overweight.

Recon and Wagoneer S are both planned as BEV only. I'm not sure if they've made some changes.

@davos

Shameful is to see completely wrong engine strategy and keeping PSA shite in production.

3 minutes ago, __P said:

il T4 Evo è l’evoluzione del 2.0 litri GME di Giulia e Stelvio.

And is coming into production more than 2 years later than initially planed.

In my opinion we're underestimating influence of Peugeot family and French State on Stellantis and decisions they've made. 

1 hour ago, only-alfa said:

8 marce con convertitore di coppia. Il 7 invece a doppia frizione, immagino per cambiate più rapide.

7 speed is not a double clutch. It's a single clutch transmission. Actually it has a 4 physical speeds, and dog clutch acts as a reductor and that way it has 6 or 7 speeds depending on application.

The only reason is cheapness of making this transmission. I wouldn't exclude that cost of this even with electric motor is less that for Aisin 8 speed.

Jeep Cherokee 1.6 HEV...

2 hours ago, Osv said:

La parte più interessante:

 

GME T4 Evo is late by 2 years. Ridiculous!

@Alain

Unfortunately we're seeing classic PSA mass market brand managing. Nothing new. This is so sad to see.

Stellantis under Carlos the 2nd Le Cost Cutter killed a lot of engineering jobs especially at Auburn Hills.

On 04/06/2024 at 17:45, Marco1975 said:

Di questo passo servirà una fabbrica italiana per i 3 cilindri a catena 1.2 (e non solo i cambi a Mirafiori). 

Give us FCA engines. They are here and they are ready.

Speaking about 1.2 3 cylinder. To my eyes it seems that 1.5 Firefly 4 cylinders is a more compact engine, smaller in dimensions.

Junior topic?

Why not multilink for all versions?

Why is it so small on the rear bench?

Whey there is almost no sign of ex FCA engineering and/or suppliers?

Why is it Peugeot-centric product?

And we know that till this year Stellantis in general but above all brands like Opel and Citroen have more diminishing market share with each year. Record low year in 2023.

And then French came in for leadership and product planing in general at the group level. Go figure.

Put Lexus aside. But for example. Why would someone buy Junior instead of lets say Renault Capture? Cons and pros.

It seems that the main purpose for Symbioz on some markets is to act as the fleet queen. Thus they've launched it as HEV only at the time which will replace ICE Megane and to some extent ICE Scenic.

Of course they will add MHEV and even GPL versions down the line.

Austral? I don't know if its build the same as Nissan QQ. If it is then it's more like a premium products. All doors and closures are aluminium. Think of Giulia and Stelvio.

@nucarote

It has the same wheelbase length as Captur.

7 hours ago, itr83 said:

è alta solo 1,50m, è quasi una berlina, molto bene, visto che oggi sei "obbligato" a fare un suv meglio un suv "ribassato" per una Alfa.

mi piace ma con 31900€ prenderei una CX-30 Skyactive-X senza pensarci...

It's not. It's only valid for Veloce.

Actually it's 1.53m high.

Where is Fiat version?

Maybe they should name it into Alfa Romeo Fiasco.

Do you really believe that it has VDA boot space of 400 litres? C'mon guys!

Don't forget that CMP is in its origins low cost C segment platform for Chinese marker which PSA inherited from Dongfeng.

That means that in the first place it's cheap to make while for B/subcompact segment it lacks interior space. Packaging just isn't right, it isn't efficient.

Yes, this is a subcompact car. This is not a compact car and this is not by any means Giulietta successor.

C/compact segment cars have different design goals in thems of NVH, driving dynamics and so on and on.

For me drawbacks remain the same 

Fixation on BEV offering. So very dubious choice if internal combustion engine. Choice of a questionable transmission for a sporty brand.

I mean. Where is GSE, where is Uconnect. Just imagine this car with a 1.5 litre 160 HP engine and a proper 7 speed DCT from Gettag in comparison with this 6 speed Chinese fakery.

Uconnect 5 is arguably better infotainment system than French junk.

In terms of dimensions I'm still wondering why they've decided against 2008 wheelbase length. In my opinion it would be miles better choice for Alfa Romeo.

With this sideline looks kind of squashed.

And yes. Design of the front end is quite busy and it's like that because of CMP platform and its constraints. I mean there is not much modularity with CMP. It's constrained like an old platform.

I mean even air intake is set in stone with this platform and because we got this strange front end design.

I almost forgot.

External colour choice is very bad.

Where is a proper blue, where is a green?

9 hours ago, Gengis26 said:

Se parlate di Stelvio e Giulia NO. La versione di STLA Large che attualmente è in utilizzo non è multienergia. 

What makes it different to a multi energy STLA Large?

4 hours ago, AlexMi said:

Se auto grandi e pesanti come DS7 e Gamma devono montare il 1.2 3 cilindri, forse è meglio se escono solo elettriche.

Not to mention that already 1.5 GSE with "just" 130 HP has better performance than 1.2 136 HP PureDreck.

4 hours ago, nucarote said:

Ma meno abitabile mi sa.  

Less? 😱

Already the Avenger is really small on the inside.

Well... This is prime example of PSA's stinginess. Mechanic or great mechanical solutions were never on their ethos.

Their PR is trying to iron this out. How great there are and so on. On the other hand no one from media outlets is questioning this. Sort of win-win for PSA.