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Bruno Alfieri, Alfa Romeo 164
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@PaoloGTC This is looks like a general layout of the Projetto 156 (AR4 prepared for wind tunnel tests). There are some new things, at least for me. 1. Independent rear suspension (no more De Dion) 2. Fuel tank and spare wheel in identical to Alfetta position 3. Engine placed in the normal position (not shifted to the center) Would be interesting to look underneath of the GTV6 2.5 (119C0001) which was built on the Alfa 6 platform in 1985! I wonder if it has a rear suspension similar to 156.
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Alfa Romeo, according to the production plans, did not have intent to manufacture Spider/Targa on the Alfetta platform. Moreover Alfa Romeo wanted to build cars in house and stop outsourcing (Bertone and Pininfarina). New Spider supposed to be built on the Alfasud platform. So these two proposals did not relate to real AR plans and as I understand were built by Pininfarina itself.
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My two cents to the beautiful design. Digital indexes were used by Abarth and not by Lancia. For instance commercial name of Abarth 037 project was Lancia Rally. In your case Abarth SE 039 was Fiat Uno Turbo 4WD, the project that have never been materialized and was only on the drawings. Modern journalists and bloggers quite often do not have any knowledge about it and add 037 or 038 digits to Lancia brand and create their own imaginary names. Seems like you are trying to follow the same trend to show possible development of Lancia racing cars FYI SE037 - Lancia Rally SE038 - Lancia Delta S4 Gruppo B SE040 - Lancia Delta S4 Evo SE041 - Lancia ECV1/ECV2 SE042 - Lancia Gruppo S SE043 - Lancia Delta 4WD Gruppo A SE044/SE045 - Lancia Delta Integrale 8v/16v Gruppo A SE047 - Lancia LC2 V10 SE049 - Lancia Delta Integrale 4WS SE050 - Lancia Delta Integrale Evoluzione
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So probably you know the purpose of such weird angle of the windshield. 1. It provides a driver more open space above the head, and allows the driver and passenger to enjoy the nature. Many modern cars and cars back in 90s have a windshield that almost touches the head of the driver. yes, it is more safe but the same time it does not feel like cabriolet. 2. The less inclined windshield, the flat one, gives you much greater visibility, driving comfort and pleasure of driving. Basically designers, who made this aka "Kubelwagen" solution, knew what they did. P.S. It is easy to critique something after almost 38 years. This particular design proposal was done in the end of 1987, and later, in July 1988, the final design of GTV/Spider was approved. Do you see the fundamental differences?
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By the way, I would like to ask you. it is about your comment. Do you have an open top car? Did you drive a car with a flat almost vertical windshield, like G-Wagen (W460-461) for instance?
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It was an attempt to develop the rear wheel drive platform. Basically it was a development of FIAT 124 with live rear axle (FIAT 124), the 124 floor and Chevrolet Niva gearbox (still modified FIAT 124). However the engine supposed to be from Lada Kalina (late 70s engine developed together with Porsche/FIAT). Front suspension was McPherson. The car supposed to be built at the same production line and use the same manufacturing tools as Lada 2105 (FIAT 124), still supplied by FIAT I would consider this car as Mai Nate FIAT
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No, in the whole world they are available with 2.0 and 2.9
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The existence of the configurator means that they did not sell all thirty three cars. However if I remember correctly Imparato claimed that they sold all 33 cars even before production. To be honest I think they sold probably 2-3 cars and do not know what to do now.
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You forgot about american market
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- alfa romeo new stelvio
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This car appeared 5 years after the sketch was done. How the design of Pinin could be American? It's like to say that 2003 FIAT Panda has chinese look because Great Wall with similar design was made in 2008 And by the way, sorry for OT, the most american looking cars of 80s and 90s were designed by Italians, like Pontiac Transsport and Cadillac Alante by Pininfarina and Ford Mustang fox body by Ercole Spada.
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You should live there to understand. For instance every monday in a school (at age of 7 to 12), before lessons started, we had to report about political situation in the world. In the Andropov time, during day time on the working days, people were checked at the streets and asked to provide supporting documentation that they could not work (notice of illness, vacation, etc). But it was just minor interruption to the life. The major for instance were like underground nuclear explosion to put down a fire of natural gas well, just in 70km from the 1.5mln city.
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In the end of 70s Giugiaro promoted a research in which he described that people were not interested in a speed driving anymore and preferred exploring. He entertained an idea of the future SUV's (tempo libero), cars with all wheel drive and high sitting position. Model gamma of different manufacturers was built based on his research. An interest of the public to open cars in early 90s was temporary really unusual. However as the owner of the open car (Alfa Spider 1990) I can confirm the the driving with the open top is a real pleasure and not connected with any show off in front of public. The open top driving is individual pleasure that allows to be more connected to the surrounding world. I personally prefer to use Spider on the empty village and mountain roads instead of showing off in the city.
