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All Alfas must be emotional to justify this little brand. It's rather for the people <—> for the wealthy enthusiast then.

I think if the top Stellantis management decides to kill brands, they won't tell anyone much before the announcement. And if it happens, it won't happen in a minute but rather after the current models end their lifetime. An integration into mother brands is more likely anyway. And if DS stands for some posh models of Citroën, they still have to market them.

Some really bad calculation then. D segment wagons didn't cease to exist in Europe, but we lost even Passat sedan. A Giulia SW would have doubled sales here for little extra budget. Alfa is still euro-centric and had a wagon customer base after 156 and 159 SW.

SW and fastback should have very similar structure. SW just adds roof length.

European COO Emanuele Cappellano seems to have confirmed some things in Mimit meetings today. Sources are scattered, maybe you find something better than me: https://de.marketscreener.com/boerse-nachrichten/stellantis-wird-die-produktion-in-italien-ab-2026-dank-neuer-modelle-steigern-a-europachef-ce7e5bdcdc80fe22 Additional model for Melfi in 2028 after Gamma and DS No7 (should be Tonale) Next 500 in Mirafiori on new platform until 2030 (not eMini) Next Panda and two compacts on STLA Small in Pomigliano (as we know) Investments for GSE engines in Termoli: Euro 7 and 48V hybrid to live into next decade Next Grecale in Cassino Third shift in Atessa very soon I also read an interview-based article (from Bruxelles) recently where it was said that STLA Small will cover A segment.

Since when does Fiat Group keep successful names? Continuity must be avoided as usual. 😗

Only Germans in Europe? I read people in American forums who wish for a comeback of wagons, but no clue how many would really buy.

If they dared to, a 5-door fastback/sedan structure should allow a cheaper Sportwagon spin-off.

I'll take a day off when we get to hear that the 2.0 and 3.0 engines are for export only. 🙃 With these news, what do we make of the announcement to have a separate Maserati line in Cassino this fall? Will Grecale on Giorgio Evo switch to a smaller space, so that the main line can be adjusted to Evo Evo (maybe Giorgio Gen. 3 or STLA Large Gx would be better) in late 2027?

I just hope the Giulia Elettrica will be much better than the current Maserati Folgore. It needs to match the Neue Klasse evolution of 2028. Otherwise the ICE variants will make a few Alfisti and enthusiasts happy but fail on the European market, where BEV will be an obligation in the D segment because the majority of sales goes to companies. Alfa needs volume to survive. On the other hand, what we saw from STLA Large so far was big and heavy and didn't include 800 V systems or STLA Brain yet. Let's hope Alfa gets the best of both worlds. The best mechanics from Giorgio with no compromises on electronics and future-proof powertrains.

Are you sure your info is about Giulia/Stelvio and not the Alfa/Maserati sports car twins with manual transmission they talked about? It's all so confusing. They stopped development of next Maserati Levante and Quattroporte, supposedly decided to switch to STLA Large and now Alfa switches to Giorgio Evo Evo? The global four STLA platforms change for a dozen local specialities again? 🤪

Why should STLA Large be frozen? Alfa needs capable EV variants to have a chance on the 2028+ market. Replacement of the triangle rear lights is a good move. We've had enough of continuous light bars already. With the recent uglification and screenification of many dashboards, the look and feel of public transport in premium cars, there's a big opportunity for Alfa to set itself apart with warm and sporty interiors. Just get the materials right!

How many lines are possible in Cassino? I thought the line for STLA Large had already been installed? So is the new line for Giorgio Evo Sport (whatever) and the current line will switch to STLA Large?

I'm no fan of the restyling (too baroque) but they invested in new metal all around, new lights, interior and more. A semi-new car like BMW 1er E8x to Fxx. Meanwhile the Punto just got uglified in the old metal. Also no big marketing anymore outside of Italy. And the stupid name changes against any continuity: (Punto) > Grande Punto > Punto Evo > Punto. On the bright side: The facelift was not half as bad as the Punto 2 facelift.

If I remember right, it's production for local African markets only. In contrast to Morocco. When EU and single countries start to subsidize only European BEV, the African products like Grizly will be at a bad place.