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1. It was simply too expensive. Might be better now, but too late for the reception. 2. Frontend design is an ugly Frankenstein, rest doesn't match Dodge image. 3. The knowledge that it's badge engineering.
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But do people know? They should adjust the list prices and do proper advertising. If the list price is high it won't be included in any "BEV to buy under 25k" list or press comparison.
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I can't believe personal taste of one person is the only reason for such a major delay of a critical project. The original design has been approved by the team after all. Big money has been spent. There must be other aspects to it. Maybe different shortcomings came together and they said: ok, it's not competitive yet. We'll move it behind Giulia and do it right. Or they want to sync it with Maserati? I hope the picture gets clear and logical when we see the new brand/industrial plan with facts and not only rumours.
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I still don't understand why the battery update hasn't arrived already. Even if they bet 100% on BEV when developing the 500e, they must have planned updates from the get go? Olivier François should keep his face out of cameras regarding his mismanagement with this. He planned wrong under FCA and kept the same route under STLA.
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But if they really intended to bring out more Alfas in 2017, 2018, 2019 — did they even start to develop them? Or was the best-case scenario "let's see how Giulia and Stelvio sell and then green light the next model so it's ready in > 2020"?
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But the design is unchanged apart from the front slot and gearbox, right? Even the wheels. Not that it needs a change. More colours would be nice though.
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Our friend Olivier confirms to El Mundo that three new Fiats (SUV, Fastback, Pickup) will arrive in the next 18 months. And he hopes other Stellantis brands will produce A segment cars in Pomigliano. And he's close to retirement. 🙃
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As much as I like special elements like this on Alfas, you see that it needs a fat plastic block to face forward. So I prefer the middle version here.
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No reports from Filosas Mirafiori "town hall" talk here? I hoped to read some more details here. At least more than the short summaries like these: https://www.facebook.com/Stellantis/posts/pfbid02uApC8LwUEdsKesUJHaSfq6ww3DLTA58PjZ7YkWhp7cZA2iP4mWmWAKsGt31EJqLHl https://www.motor1.com/news/763899/stellantis-tells-employees-stop-saying-ex-fca-workers/
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The difference between Giulia and Stelvio treatment is interesting – if true. If there's no fundamental design changes needed to include hybrids: Why can't they do a 500/500e stunt and bring the new generations as BEV while keeping the current ICE generation until the HEV are ready? ICE are nice for old-school Alfisti, but I'd say the current and coming premium D-segment market (80% company sales/leases) in Europe is pretty much BEV orientated already. Can't they have parallel production in Cassino? Maybe the BEV need more work as well …
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Nice photo on his wall anyway.
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Right. Until then: In the near-term group pipeline: 1.6 EP HEV, 2.0 GME EVO Also available for evolution/resurrection and application: Hurricane T6, Nettuno V6, GSE T4 …
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Yes, I hope 1.6 HEV is coming soon, as Imparato indicated. A PHEV is too expensive for the mid-range. I doubt they start developing brand-new engines for Europe. Wouldn't be here before 2030+. Better update what you have. Do you think the global design boss has much influence on the actual designs? I see the role more as a manager with the brand design leaders defining the style. While Gilles seems to have a more direct role in Detroit additionally. He has overseen all Jeep design before and still the design of EU and NA Jeeps is pretty different.
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Second design boss seems to be gone, but the different design centers (Torino, Detroit, Paris …) have heads anyway. And Maserati is integrated into the Euro brand organisation, which makes sense for joined management and development with Alfa. General direction: More regional decisions. The brand CEOs stay of course.
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This color combination looks way more maritime. The roll bars are of the Mini cabriolet, right? Can you close the roof somehow? I wonder about the waterproofing of the interior and specially cockpit/infotainment.