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And let's not forget the Frontera fills an unstable position in Opel's lineup: Meriva, Crossland, Frontera changed pretty much not only by name from each other. The success is quite remarkable for that. But I think it takes sales away from the Mokka.

Yes, this looks like a Restomod, not like a concept for the future. Was/is the R8 a legend? I don't remember it.

No. But the hatch might change character.

It's funny they put so much emphasis on the name — when we know their last-minute history: Furiosa-MiTo, Milano-Giulietta, Milano-Junior …

When in doubt, check the price list and not the configurator. In Germany, blue is the basic colour, all others cost 700 € extra. Isn't the (European) website structure more or less identical for all STLA brands now?

If it only sells to fleets — that don't really care about brands — why does it exist at all? They have other brands for that. I do understand that the small expected sales numbers don't justify many style/colour variants, but this car in purple/gray with black taxi interior looks really sad.

Everyone and his mother has a rear light bar nowadays. Boring, like 100 Chinese cars. I'm glad the Tonale II teaser shows something different. And I hope the 2-story front light trend is over already. Something more organic for Alfa please. If you read the press release for the concept it's clear they'll show a very driver focused car that all Alfisti must love. Maybe a Spider/Coupé and we see the rear/boot on the picture? In concept form it doesn't have to be a well-selling segment. BTW the German text version says "more details soon" … https://www.media.stellantis.com/de-de/alfa-romeo/press/alfa-romeo-auf-dem-pariser-autosalon-konzeptfahrzeug-gibt-einen-ausblick-auf-die-zukunft-der-marke

And? The difference between original STLA Small plans from 2021 and the outcome as STLA One in 2026–2028 doesn't prove they started from scratch. The project just changed direction and got expanded during the development phase. Nothing unusual.

Astra only SW is a misunderstanding AFAIK. The CEO said that the SW will definitely stay for the German market, but the hatch might change its form. Not that the hatch will disappear without replacement.

That would be very similar to their plan of 2008: https://groups.io/g/stirling/topic/fiat_and_bmw_to_join_forces/5391605

I don't think that means anything. D-segment, not D-model. That could even mean 3 models. Unlikely I know. No, no and no. The Junior MCA is not too early. It has to stay competitive with newcomers that got nicer interior materials and such. Avenger with soft materials now, STLA One products. This is not Fiat/FCA anymore that made too few, late and tiny facelifts. The current Opel and Peugeot B-models get at least 2 MCAs in their lifetime. C-SUV will replace current Tonale. If it grows it will still be normal C-segment SUV size of 2028 which got bigger in general, not D-segment. C-hatch is obviously a different, lower car.

If we want to see STLA Medium as a simple EMP evolution, yes. Both platform histories show that they are subject to ongoing evolution and don't have to keep current limitations in three years. The important thing is: When Tonale launched, most products on Small Wide were already end-of-life. No further platform development to be expected anymore. Not for tiny Alfa sales. Now STLA Medium has some fresh and important models on it that gives it a much better outlook, even if the next generation might switch to One. And if it's updated to get STLA Brain and Cockpit with Tonale II, the electronic updates can be shared between One, Medium, Large and the upcoming vans.

In contrast to the Fiat/GM Small/SCCS platform, which debuted 17 years before the Tonale with the Grande Punto, STLA Medium is pretty fresh with its debut in 2023/2024. We don't know if it will ever get replaced by STLA One for the taller C/D segment SUV, might have a long career with many upgrades ahead. And we don't know how far STLA One development currently is – beyond the initial B segment BEV.

Why do you think only in the EU? Didn't Filosa recently confirm Alfa will stay in the US? Of course it could offer a 2.0 turbo version there, at least the US 1.6 FHEV. It amazes me that most of you concentrate so much on the ICE offerings and totally ignore the BEV, while the share of that will (and must) grow more and more – specially with fleet buyers.

@Osv the new Bottega project is missing from the updated model index. The fleet presentation indicates this order of appearance: Junior MCA (until 2027) C-SUV (Tonale successor, STLA Medium, late 2027) New Bottega Fuoriserie project C-hatchback (Giulietta successor, STLA One) D-segment (in study)