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If we want to see STLA Medium as a simple EMP evolution, yes. Both platform histories show that they are subject to ongoing evolution and don't have to keep current limitations in three years. The important thing is: When Tonale launched, most products on Small Wide were already end-of-life. No further platform development to be expected anymore. Not for tiny Alfa sales. Now STLA Medium has some fresh and important models on it that gives it a much better outlook, even if the next generation might switch to One. And if it's updated to get STLA Brain and Cockpit with Tonale II, the electronic updates can be shared between One, Medium, Large and the upcoming vans.

In contrast to the Fiat/GM Small/SCCS platform, which debuted 17 years before the Tonale with the Grande Punto, STLA Medium is pretty fresh with its debut in 2023/2024. We don't know if it will ever get replaced by STLA One for the taller C/D segment SUV, might have a long career with many upgrades ahead. And we don't know how far STLA One development currently is – beyond the initial B segment BEV.

Why do you think only in the EU? Didn't Filosa recently confirm Alfa will stay in the US? Of course it could offer a 2.0 turbo version there, at least the US 1.6 FHEV. It amazes me that most of you concentrate so much on the ICE offerings and totally ignore the BEV, while the share of that will (and must) grow more and more – specially with fleet buyers.

@Osv the new Bottega project is missing from the updated model index. The fleet presentation indicates this order of appearance: Junior MCA (until 2027) C-SUV (Tonale successor, STLA Medium, late 2027) New Bottega Fuoriserie project C-hatchback (Giulietta successor, STLA One) D-segment (in study)

The C pillar looks rather classic and curvy, no black plastic angles to see. If the name Tonale is not totally burned, they rather stay with it to build a little bit continuity. They might even build on the current design, but lower and with better proportions.

Peugeot is simply the brand with the most existing products that expect new generations until 2030.

I hope they decide the Alfa D-segment soon. Commercially the comeback of C-hatch should bring much bigger results though.

The Alfa column seems to be in order of appearance. I think this presentation doesn't say anything about Abarth since it's finally treated as what it already was: The sporty top versions of FIAT. That's fine. Doesn't need an extra column. The fate of Lanca and DS was clear already. Only question is how long they'll keep the exclusive models.

FIAT management FIAT management is based in Italy. So is European brand management and European market management. Your French influence is called Olivier François. 🙃

Isn't the ridiculous tuning of tiny slow FIATs exactly the original core of Abarth?

You know the reason why there's no ICE hot hatches coming anymore in Europe, right? Even the VW GTI is gone. I don't have numbers, but I see quite a lot Alfa Junior Veloce owners in forums and FB groups. Mostly from central and northern Europe.

In Italy only though. Panda lost other regions by lack of bigger updates and loss of options over the years.

But they don't really start at zero. The previous developments on STLA Large (Alfa) and Giorgio Evo (Maserati) can be built on. STLA Brain and Cockpit are (almost?) ready. And in the FaSTLAne presentation they had emphasis on shorter (> 24 months) development times.

Even if there's talk about platform collaboration, it can mean electric/electronic platform and nothing mechanical. Just wanted to ask the same! Busy negotiating in Asia? 😁

Nothing about the C hatchback?