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25 minuti fa, xtom scrive:

Un po' scarsina come batteria la base, ma ti danno una Polo al prezzo di una Grande Panda

If it offers more than a 25k Big Panda the Fiat prices have to adapt. Has to be seen though. Could be very bare bone.

I hope STLA Small SP1 (208/Corsa) will offer 500 km WLTP. Do you think they'll also get entry-level ranges or is that left to Smart Car?

Great marketing by VW as always. They are building up excitement for a product like the 2nd coming of Christ that doesn't really offer more than existing competitors. Maybe the engines are a bit more economical and the loading is a bit faster than the CMPs and R5. ID Polo has the same height as Alfa Junior by the way, just not labeled as a SUV. Strange that the GTI has only a tiny bit more power than the next version. The price of the longer range versions will be crucial. That's where Stellantis fails. I'm sure it will be a solid success because of big brand trust, marketing, network and fleet contracts.

Seems to be a well researched article, while nothing shocking in there. While much needed mainstream models like the Smart Car family or Jeep Cherokee were started under Tavares already, the product outcome by Filosa will take time to shine.

"If nobody's driving a particular model, retail buyers won't know it exists without expensive advertising," he said, meaning that if consumers see a car on the road or drive it as part of a rental fleet they are more likely to take a closer look at it.

So true, the curse of small market share. And a reason why Alfa needs the B segment and unnecessary brand fragmentation should be corrected.

2 ore fa, libbio scrive:

ditemi che tutte queste "lodevoli" iniziative sono ancora degli strascichi del portoghese...vi prego ditemi che è così

Should be in responsibility of Olivier François. Still firm in the saddle. 😄

Same for other (non STLA) European products. Chinese seem to benefit from current system. But from 2026 you will get negative points for screen-only cockpits.

https://www.euroncap.com/en/press-media/press-releases/euro-ncap-announces-2026-protocol-changes-to-tackle-modern-driving-risks/

I guess they didn't want to become too dependent on VW — therefore another partner this time. And Renault needs more volume.

Is the Sport Speciale "Milano Cortina" at dealers already?

Yes, the ICE is simply the entry-level, decoy offer for the 500. Both Ibrida and updated Elettrica were planned to start in 2025, according to the Italian production plan. A cheaper Elettrica would push the upselling of course. And they might bring a facelift with the update.

I don't think a L7e vehicle will be very agile with 4 persons, but more speed than 45 km/h will be a game changer.

7 minuti fa, jameson scrive:

E targa a sinistra.

With a fat plastic block to adjust it straight forward.

Still lightyears ahead of the North American factories in terms of lighting, cleanness and worker outfits. And worker BMI. 😄

I read that the 500 Elettrica is waiting for a LFP battery from this plant.

So the rear logo stays after all. For me the Astra is Opel's best design on the street, maybe the best-looking current C hatchback on the market. Like other STLA cars it would benefit from a stronger (non-plugin) hybrid. 1.6 HEV – we're looking at you! And is there room for a bigger EV battery?

8 ore fa, cruzmaltino scrive:

Qualcuno sul forum aveva affermato che il progetto originale STLA Small era stato modificato e non sarebbe più servito al segmento A, ma piuttosto al segmento C. Sarebbe quindi stato utilizzato per i segmenti B e C. La spiegazione era che l'STLA Medium sarebbe stato limitato a SUV, CUV e pickup, e non sarebbe stato utilizzato per 308, 408, Astra e Delta. Questo ora ha senso dopo che STELLANTIS ha presentato il progetto di taxi robot autonomo con due veicoli, un furgone e un crossover da trasporto, apparentemente nel segmento C, denominando le piattaforme K0 e STLA Small. In altre parole, l'STLA Small è ora progettato per i segmenti B e C.

I don't know if they really left A segment out but STLA Small was always planned to reach the C segment. Check the EV day presentation from 2021. Also, on the Italia plan from 2024 they list the 2030+ factory platforms and cars on it. For Pomigliano it's Small and new Pandina plus compacts but no word about Mini or City.

2 ore fa, Kay195 scrive:

@pumadog non sarà utilizzata STLA Small per le Panda/500 2030, se non sbaglio lo ha anche confermato Guillaume Clerc in qualche intervista. Per City invece è vero, è praticamente eMini, cambia solo il nome.

But where do they use that name? I think it's a Clubalfa or Italpassion creation. I don't find it at any official materials. Also it's not among the current/upcoming platforms: https://www.stellantis.com/en/innovation/our-vehicle-platforms

19 minuti fa, Kay195 scrive:

Als Plattform gibt es STLA City (ehemals eMini), das Multi-Energie ist und die Basis von 500e und Hybrid ist.

Das Beispiel von GPanda diente dazu, darauf hinzuweisen, wie offensichtlich sie in der Lage sind, Modelle zu entwickeln, die in verschiedenen Märkten mit unterschiedlichen Bedürfnissen verkauft werden können.

STLA City does only exist in the internet AFAIK – but in no Stellantis materials. eMini is still eMini. STLA Small was planned to go down to 370 cm, cover A to C segment according to the original STLA Platform presentation.

Hmm, this looks like a London cab in B segment. Hope it's much better without the camouflage.

15 ore fa, CarBreathing scrive:

Non è ancora uscita e pensano già alle serie speciali, sto volando

I think at the low expected sales volumes it's wise to channel the equipment into fixed special series. You have the illusion of variety but can build all cars in the same configuration. After three months another configuration for all.

They officially announced that (apart from end date).

But why? You can do steer-by-wire with a classic wheel as well. What benefit does this offer? Will it get a screen later?

1 ora fa, stev66 scrive:

In realtà 159 alla fine ha venduto decentemente.

159 in 6 anni ha fatto 250k pezzi .

156 ha fatto decisamente meglio

670k pezzi in nove anni

Alfa 75 ha fatto 375k pezzi in 8 anni

155 la peggiore 2000k pezzi in6 anni

In ordine di vendite/anno

155 33k

159 42k

75 47k

156 74k

But the 159 got sold off cheap after a few years. I remember offers for a well specced edition for 24.000 € at the Alfa website in Germany. It got an image of slow and heavy with the GM engines in the initial years and the 1.8 TBI came too late to fix that.

Does Smart have a market in China? Sales are close to zero in Germany (former home) and I wonder why they continue to invest. Only chance of a brand comeback is a new 42.

Keep in mind that those interest charges and scrapping conditions are more market specific than by brand/company. For example you get an Alfa for 2%, 1% or even 0% in Germany. https://www.alfaromeo.de/angebote

Two-tone doesn't enhance the 600 looks secondo me, but I like the black air intake and light inserts. Are the seats from Junior without contrast stitching? They could give the integral Abarth standard seats to some other models.

The picture doesn't show the actual special editions anyway. The Junior is an Intensa and not a Sport Speciale alias Milano Cortina.