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They, they realised finally. Therefore ID. Polo — and ID. Golf after this ID.3 Neo. I would have gone straight for Polo ID.

I didn't know they got the plant from Ford and Chrysler, thought it was a historical Peugeot or Citroën site.

19 ore fa, vince-991 scrive:

Grazie, adesso ho capito cosa mi da fastidio dell'anteriore della 600. Quella palpebra cosi' fatta. Mi sono sempre chiesto (senza particolare interesse devo ammettere) perche' sulla 500e non mi dispiacesse mentre sulla 600 si

The 600 has some cheap solutions compared to the 500(e). The eyelids don't shine like the rest of the light, the DRLs at the front bumper don't match the main lights. On the 500 it's all much cleaner.

I'm just interested in interior updates.

11 ore fa, GmG scrive:

Riguardo alle EV, ci dobbiamo aspettare passi avanti o indietro rispetto alle prestazioni previste della STLA Large LP3?

That's my fear. They should have 800v and STLA Brain, but what about battery capacity and cost?

Seems like Maserati design got moved under European direction.

20 ore fa, nucarote scrive:

Se dovesse esserci una anche new Pandina HEV le linee sarebbero due ossia STLA City e Leapmotor E-Car.

Yeah, but as long as 500 and Pandina share the base, they could easily produce both in Mirafiori. E-Car and compacts on STLA Small in Pomigliano. If STLA City is a reality. If STLA Small goes down to 370 cm as planned, they might even share the line with the compacts.

1 ora fa, Graziano68dt scrive:

E comunque per me, se faranno queste 3 eCars, non vedremo la Small a pomigliano...

Why? The A and C segment cars would keep different lines anyway. But it would still make sense to couple 500 and Panda production.

Is there a price list? German list and configurator ("spring 2026") still show each version 1500 € on top of each other and the tech pack for 2400 €. We don't have promo prices online.

Right. Compared to Porsche, there's not much trust in the Maserati brand and future. Maseratis were always expensive to run and lost value fast. So you have to lure buyers in with unique arguments. Offer something exciting, extraordinary. I think the Grecale is simply too boring for that.

21 ore fa, MotorPassion scrive:

In questa foto, Born sembra super larga e bassa.

The two men as well. Picture seems to be distorted.

Should be much better for American needs than the Doblo based predecessor. But the original medium van wasn't US compliant, right? They installed fresh capacity in Türkye for this – so is it a semi-new generation of the K0? I read at Allpar that the engine is from Hungary, not the US. Currently the only non-plugin application of the 1.6 EP?

Grizzly is a multilingual bear species like Panda. Orso means nothing internationally.

Alfa sales would be under the bus without Junior.

Do we know how many hot electric versions Stellantis sells of the e-CMP cars? We know the Abarth 600 flops pretty hard, but there are happy owners of the Junior Veloce in German Alfa forums.

But private individuals buy their cars 2nd hand. And if they don't get their preferred engine from Stellantis they look elsewhere. And resale values of the unwanted sink.

It can't be so hard and expensive to combine the existing 1.6 EP with the eDCT and battery of the 1.2 MHEV or a little more to make it FHEV.

PHEV are expensive when new, but more so in maintenance when they get older. More and more reports show that most of them consume much more (up to 3x) than WLTP suggests in the real world because they are heavy and not many miles are done electric. When emission controls move to real world data (possible now) over time their place will shrink …

1 ora fa, Bare scrive:

Medium is a design failure. SUV only platform without a proper 4x4 and terrible packaging for a given wheelbase length.

New generation of 1.6 EP and 1.2 EB? They say they're Miller but compression ratio is (too) low. And 1.2 EB Gen III still has the same fuel economy issues as the previous generation. This is something which would be solved by a proper Miller.

You repeat the same phrases again and again but never deliver solid justification.

The EB2 Gen 3 MHEV is very economic and pleasant to drive with the eDCT. Miller or not. They just need an option above.

It seams that they narrowed down the flexibility of Medium platform but we have to wait for Small to see if Stellantis has a good C car platform in the portfolio.

2 ore fa, vince-991 scrive:

I motori che monta la Tonale cioè il 1.5 e il 1.3 benzina non possono essere evoluti in qualche modo? Chiedo

I'm sure they could – but why should they? It's not that the GSE is without problems (read about lengthened chains) and the 1.6 EP has just been updated. It just needs a (M)HEV application for Europe. Only because the GSE is "Italian"*?

*whatever that means in a global corporation.

Didn't Capellano just re-confirm the new generation in Atessa for 2028?

1 ora fa, Graziano68dt scrive:

La risposta sta nel "doppio ramo".

Come Fiat ha il ramo del filone della "dolce vita"(500/600/Topolino) e il ramo "Rational"(G.Panda/Grizzly/Doblò), anche AR deve avere due rami.

Il ramo del prodotto "Emotional"(Giulia/Stelvio/Bottega) e il ramo "Rational"(Junior, Giulietta, Tonale).

Una linea USA oriented, un'altra UE oriented...

All Alfas must be emotional to justify this little brand. It's rather for the people <—> for the wealthy enthusiast then.

I think if the top Stellantis management decides to kill brands, they won't tell anyone much before the announcement. And if it happens, it won't happen in a minute but rather after the current models end their lifetime. An integration into mother brands is more likely anyway. And if DS stands for some posh models of Citroën, they still have to market them.

3 ore fa, Beckervdo scrive:

Non c'era più budget né per la Wagon né per la Coupé né per Stelvio-Castello.

Some really bad calculation then. D segment wagons didn't cease to exist in Europe, but we lost even Passat sedan. A Giulia SW would have doubled sales here for little extra budget. Alfa is still euro-centric and had a wagon customer base after 156 and 159 SW.

13 ore fa, stev66 scrive:

Sw = meno rigidezza = meno tenuta di strada .

Sw con uguale tenuta di strads = piu' peso.

La fisica e' una stronza ( cit. ) 😄

SW and fastback should have very similar structure. SW just adds roof length.

European COO Emanuele Cappellano seems to have confirmed some things in Mimit meetings today. Sources are scattered, maybe you find something better than me: https://de.marketscreener.com/boerse-nachrichten/stellantis-wird-die-produktion-in-italien-ab-2026-dank-neuer-modelle-steigern-a-europachef-ce7e5bdcdc80fe22

• Additional model for Melfi in 2028 after Gamma and DS No7 (should be Tonale)

• Next 500 in Mirafiori on new platform until 2030 (not eMini)

• Next Panda and two compacts on STLA Small in Pomigliano (as we know)

• Investments for GSE engines in Termoli: Euro 7 and 48V hybrid to live into next decade

• Next Grecale in Cassino

• Third shift in Atessa very soon

I also read an interview-based article (from Bruxelles) recently where it was said that STLA Small will cover A segment.

4 minuti fa, Ale1997 scrive:

Cambiarle nome è un suicidio di Marketing, anzi dovrebbero urlarlo ai quattro venti GIORGIO= MASSIMO DELLE PERFORMANCE STRADALI.

Since when does Fiat Group keep successful names? Continuity must be avoided as usual. 😗